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Nonlinear seem to think this post replying to the accusations about them will make them look like the heroes

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  • This is a 60 minute post. Nobody proofread this. They're hoping few people will read the whole thing, and they're probably right.

    • Holy shit, it could not be getting any dumber, Effective altruist philosopher defends longtermism from critics who deny utilitarian principles.... With utilitarian principles.

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  • So what's the deal with Oxford? I know exactly what's up with Stanford from Palo Alto but anyone have a good explainer on why Oxford is like this?

    • Nonlinear seem to think this post replying to the accusations about them will make them look like the heroes

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  • Do they address the allegation that Drew was sleeping with Alice and Kat was harassing her about it? That was the most damning allegation in the original wasn't it?

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  • Think of how many souls could have been saved if you didn't waste the church's time investigating all those abusive priests! Truly the investigators are sinners on a staggering scale!

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  • It almost reads as a threat... 'don't stop our gravy train, or we'll lash out and reveal what we know!'

    • LW: [Request]: Use "Epilogenics" instead of "Eugenics" in most circumstances - people just don't like the word itself yes that must be it. Coined by Aella.

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  • 5, is the implication is that the OP thinks anti-incest laws are eugenics and therefore bad and therefore should be abolished???

    I think they're saying that actually everyone loves Eugenics they just don't know it yet.

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  • I wish you were joking but they literally say this in the post:

    At that hourly rate, he spent perhaps ~$130,000 of Lightcone donors’ money on [investigating us]. But it’s more than that. When you factor in our time, plus hundreds/thousands of comments across all the posts, it’s plausible Ben’s negligence cost EA millions of dollars of lost productivity. If his accusations were true, that could have potentially been a worthwhile use of time - it's just that they aren't, and so that productivity is actually destroyed. [...]

    Even if it was just $1 million, that wipes out the yearly contribution of 200 hardworking earn-to-givers who sacrificed, scrimped and saved to donate $5,000 this year.

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  • Also this:

    Have you ever made a social gaff? Does the idea of somebody exclusively looking for and publishing negative things about you make you feel uneasy? Terrified?

    (spooky hands)

    I actually played this game with some of my friends to see how easy it was. I tried to say only true things but in a way that made them look like villains. It was terrifyingly easy. Even for one of my oldest friends, who is one of the more universally-liked EAs, I could make him sound like a terrifying creep.

    📸 🤨

    I could do this for any EA org. I know of so many conflicts in EA that if somebody pulled a Ben Pace on, it would explode in a similar fashion.

    🤔

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  • I cannot wade through this, so I'm just scrolling around aimlessly.

    About 10% of the time was doing laundry, groceries, packing, and cooking - and she has to do many of those things for herself anyways! At least this is on paid time, feels high impact, and means she’s not sitting in front of the computer all day.

    Feels high impact wtf.

    “First they came for one EA leader, and I did not speak out -- because I just wanted to focus on making AI go well.

    Then they came for another, and I did not speak out -- because surely these are just the aftershocks of FTX, it will blow over.

    Then they came for another, and I still did not speak out -- because I was afraid for my reputation if they came after me.

    Then they came for me - and I have no reputation to protect anymore.”

    How very tasteful, a Niemöller snowclone Godwin. Truly people who party on the beach for charity and have hot tub meetings are the most oppressed.

    Maybe it was because Alice was microdosing LSD nearly every day, sleeping just a few hours a night, and has a lifelong pattern of seeing persecution everywhere.

    What an insane way to talk about a former employee, much less one living with you. Pro tip for real businesses: never do this. If you're going to disparage someone like this, it's a job for your lawyer and he'd better have receipts. Also don't live with your employees and let them take acid on the job.

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  • What a major coinkeydink that the same discussion is happening on a totally unrelated and unaffiliated forum. 🙄

    • LW: [Request]: Use "Epilogenics" instead of "Eugenics" in most circumstances - people just don't like the word itself yes that must be it. Coined by Aella.

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  • [Request]: Use "Breeding humans like livestock" instead of "Eugenics" in most circumstances.

    • SSC Reddit having a normal one, OP fantasizing about murdering their child, I guess?

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  • It's an alarmingly common occurrence in real life, so I don't think it should be surprising that it's also something people fantasize about.

    • SSC Reddit having a normal one, OP fantasizing about murdering their child, I guess?

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    • Elon accidentally creates an AI that goes out of its way not to be racist

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  • See also: Zuck and Snow Crash.

    • Let rationalists put GMO bacteria in your mouth

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  • (Teeth shine audibly)

    • Let rationalists put GMO bacteria in your mouth

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  • Literally BioShock.

    • Let rationalists put GMO bacteria in your mouth

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  • Chewing gum fans may want a word.

    • Let rationalists put GMO bacteria in your mouth

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  • I like that instead of a study to back up their project, they have... one guy! Who tried it a month ago!

    • Effective Altruism Funded the “AI Existential Risk” Ecosystem with Half a Billion Dollars

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  • I lol'd at:

    What are they doing with all that money?

    ¯(ツ)/¯

    • "it’s like the stages of a rocket ship and racism was the first stage"

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