agi graph slop, wtf does goverment collapse have to do with ai?
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You've arbitrarily defined an agi by its consciousness instead of its capabilities.
Most people can’t identify a correct mathematical equation from an incorrect one
this is irrelevant, we're talking about something where nobody can tell the difference, not where it's difficult.
What is “economically important labor”? Arguably the most economically important labor is giving birth, raising your children, and supporting your family. So would an AGI be some sort of inorganic uterus as well as a parent and a lover? Lol.
it means a job. That's obviously not a job and obviously not what is meant, an interesting strategy from one who just used "what most people mean when they say"
That’s a pretty tall order, if AGI also has to do philosophy, politics, and science. All fields that require the capacity for rational deliberation and independent thought, btw.
it just has to be at least as good as a human at manipulating the world to achieve its goals, I don't know of any other definition of agi that factors in actually meaningful tasks
an agi should be able to do almost any task a human can do at a computer. It doesn't have to be conscious and I have no idea why or where consciousness factors into the equation.
Being able to decide its own goals is a completely unimportant aspect of the problem.
why do you care?
If there's no way to tell the illusion from reality, tell me why it matters functionally at all.
what difference does true thought make from the illusion?
also agi means something that can do all economically important labor, it has nothing to do with what you said and that's not a common definition.
If it quacks like a duck it changes the entire global economy and can potentially destroy humanity. All while you go "ah but it's not really reasoning."
what difference does it make if it can do the same intellectual labor as a human? If I tell it to cure cancer and it does will you then say "but who would want yet another machine that just does what we say?"
your point reads like complete psuedointellectual nonsense to me. How is that economically valuable? Why are you asserting most people care about that and not the part where it cures a disease when we ask it to?
Hilarious chaos is widely regarded as a nazi server, so it has a lot of defeds, they post a lot of antitrans content and it's not against the rules, you may want to try another instance.
A philosophical zombie still gets its work done, I fundamentally disagree that this distinction is economically meaningful. A simulation of reasoning isn't meaningfully different.
Consciousness is entirely overrated, it doesn't mean anything important at all. An ai just needs logic, reasoning and a goal to effectively change things. Solving consciousness will do nothing of practical value, it will be entirely philosophical.
Tbh would happen with high compute agi as it could then create low compute tendrils.
It's not pointless it's just significantly less effective.
If you don't like the gaming stuff try aurora, feel free to message me on matrix.
Relevant post I made:
A lot of people are going to recommend you mint, I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.
I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite is objectively a better starting place for beginners.
The mere fact that bazzite and other immutables generate a new system for you on update and let you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).
How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.
Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.
Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lxqt is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.
I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.
I specialize in giving new users linux and documentation has not been an issue at all with bazzite, I just let them know to use rpm-ostree as little as possible ( and that it replaces the normal fedora package manager ) and only when necessary and search for atomic fedora for guides.
so far I have run into zero documentation issues that weren't just general linux ones. I think your claim might have been true a while ago but no longer is.
Tbh I copy and pasted a lot from a previous post I made about mint
https://lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz/comment/18486270
in short yeah I think it's a pretty bad place in the modern era, but was a great one a few years ago, recommendations are slow to change with the times.
Tbh I don't agree at all that kubuntu is easier for beginners, that may have been the case 5 or so years ago, but bazzite and aurora are the best now, also there's literally no reason to use fedora over bazzite or aurora since they're literally the same thing except with some added packages and important fixes (especially the ffmpeg fix that makes twitch work)
I honestly think ubuntu based distros are an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.
I think only immutable kde distros should be recommended to beginners as a result, the mere fact that bazzite and other immutables generate a new system for you on update and let you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).
How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.
Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.
I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.
That would make sense if he hadn't explicitly stated being a communist is not against the rules.
he clearly is open to the possibility of non authoritarian communism and just believes the definition can't exclude it for some reason.
TBH do you actually think that there's some chance that nobody is testing these releases and this is happening to a massive number of people?
I've installed linux countless times on a SHITLOAD of computers and never faced any of these problems, realistically, you're very unlucky, and these sorts of things happen with windows all the time too.
I'm not saying your issues don't matter, but unless you have statistics that back you up, you can't say "it just works" to either OS.
I've had more of an "It just works" experience with linux literally hundreds of times.
The craziest part for me is that i was just explaining what communists believe, i didn't even endorse them, and he decided it was an argument that needed to be crushed, and I don't think anybody who knows anything about communist philosophy would disagree with any of the things I said. He doesn't have an axe to grind against communism, just his imaginary, completely undefined and arbitrary version of it that is comprised of whatever he doesn't like.
The existence of black holes has a functional purpose in physics, the existence of consciousness only has one to our subjective experience, and not one to our capabilities.
if I'm wrong list a task that a conscious being can do that an unconscious one is unable to accomplish.