Fighting against anti-lemmy misinformation on reddit
Fighting against anti-lemmy misinformation on reddit
I think there's a team of people intentionally spreading lemmy misinformation. I think reddit is trying to get people not to switch from this...
Please check my post, I think everything I said is very valid, but I want this community to see it too, and help steer the discussion, I think reddit is doing this intentionally.
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No, because lemmy ISN’T PRIVATE FUNDAMENTALLY, it’s a PUBLIC FORUM I do not know what else needs to be said, don’t post public things if you want privacy.
A public form doesn't mean it can't respect privacy. Why even allow delete at all in Lemmy if this is your argument? Make comments immutable. It would be easier to code.
Lemmy is also aware of your IP address - should it make that information available since it's a public form? Of course not, that would be absurd. When I click delete the post should be deleted because that aligns with what the user would expect to happen.
You have no way of knowing what tildes actually does, you just know what the code on github says it does, unless you’re running tildes yourself, you have no way of knowing.
Yep, but that's also true for pretty much all Lemmy instances including the one you use - right? You have to place some level of trust in the maintainers and administrators.
I think the way Tildes handles deleted posts (removed 30 days later) is a benefit when compared to how Lemmy handles deleted posts. I'm fine if the delete isn't instant.
This is not a fundamental issue, this is a growing pain, and it’s solved by just linking somebody to an instance instead of explaining all of that, this is opt-in complexity, not a fundamental problem.
I agree that it isn't a fundamental issue, but it does seem to be a reoccurring issue in federated software. The process for getting people onto the software tends to be focused on tech savvy people. That's why a lot of these platforms end up dominated by IT/software developers.
Yeah, that would be better, or you can just link non-technical users instances and explain none of that.
That requires 'recruiting' someone to a specific instance instead of them finding it on their own. That's not an organic process. Nobody recruited me into Reddit - I found it myself.
If I Google Lemmy my top three links are:
- Wikipedia entry for Lemmy Kilmister
- Join-Lemmy.org
- Lemmy Github repo
None of these are specific instance someone could join. There isn't a single instance in the first page of results. There are some variations of words that I can use that direct me to lemmy.ml first, but the signup page for that instance literally asks you to go to joinlemmy before signing up.
We need to improve this process if we want people to continue migrating to federated services.
A public form doesn’t mean it can’t respect privacy. Why even allow delete at all in Lemmy if this is your argument? Make comments immutable. It would be easier to code.
It respects your privacy just as much as the alternative, which again, is reddit.
If you edit your post, the previous version isn't saved.
You are posting on a public website, you can't expect that level of privacy, nothing ever gets deleted on the internet.
It respects your privacy just as much as the alternative, which again, is reddit.
The alternative isn't Reddit. It's Tildes, Lobste.rs, Lemmy forks, etc...
News aggregation isn't a binary choice with Reddit on one side. I think if you are saying your software/platform "respects privacy as much as Reddit" that should really be a red or yellow flag. The way Reddit treats user data shouldn't really be an aspiration.
If you edit your post, the previous version isn’t saved.
I haven't dived into how Lemmy handles edits specifically yet, but my understanding is that a version of the edit is saved into a log. This also brings up the point - if I can edit my post with a period to "delete" it, why doesn't the delete work that way too?
You are posting on a public website, you can’t expect that level of privacy, nothing ever gets deleted on the internet.
I didn't say I expected it. I said I wanted it. Just because Twitter is terrible for privacy doesn't mean Lemmy can't aspire to better than Reddit or Twitter for privacy.
I haven’t dived into how Lemmy handles edits specifically yet, but my understanding is that a version of the edit is saved into a log. This also brings up the point - if I can edit my post with a period to “delete” it, why doesn’t the delete work that way too?
You can do that, and delete doesn't work that way in case you want to restore your post.
You can also, again, delete your account, and that will remove all of your posts.
This respects privacy, and is convenient.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2977 I recommend actually checking the issue tracker for that.
I just disagree. Let me restore my post for a limited amount of time before hard deleting it. Make the policy around that data transparent.
I have checked the issue tracker. Privacy concerns are coming up pretty regularly there. Other people seem to value it too. Lemmy has an opportunity to set a new standard around user privacy in this space and I hope we can take that opportunity.
Post it to the issue tracker, it seems like it just hasn't been updated with that functionality yet, not that they won't do it.
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