1y ago

NYT: Russian attack on NATO looms as Trump threatens to abandon alliance

euromaidanpress.com

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- Thats a shitload of pee tapes.
  
  If only it were pee tapes with consenting adults.
- I'm the first to agree usually, USA Defaultism and such is a huge annoyance.
  But, while the following is just one theory, it was plausible enough to give me pause, and consider that there may be avenues for things to go badly that I wouldn't have thought of otherwise.
  This scenario doesn't include the USA leaving NATO but instead not responding to Article 5 if it's triggered in an unimportant backwater corner of NATO, so functionally it's the same kinda idea.
  https://youtu.be/ZY7GPBSyONU
  If nothing else, certainly food for thought!
- Absolutely I’d love to see Europe pay for its own defense and patrol the trade lanes that feed it.
  Bring our guys home and stop wasting us tax dollars.
  
  So, according to your comment Europe is getting free (military) resources and/or money from the US with no agenda or gain for the US? It's like "The US (alone, for your clarification) against the World, we do things just to empower every other nation and everyone else".
  Please, bring your guys home, then. Maybe the World would be better off.
Didn't Congress just pass a law that a US president cannot pull the US out of NATO without an act of congress?
If the US pulled out of NATO, Russia would not have the resources or ability to attack NATO.
If usa leaves France and UK would probably nuke... Like France literally has the most aggressive first strike policy.
- Can we stop talking like using nukes could somehow be reasonable. The thought of using a first strike nuke should be considered beyond outrageous and any leader that even remotely considers it should be ran far away from any position of authority.
  Edit: understandable - reasonable
  
  Nobody in their right mind considers it. It's just a global game of chicken, and some weird armchair strategists try to convince everyone that nuclear attacks are basically the first option on the table.
  And I sometimes suspect, that this sentiment gets pushed by Russia (not created, but pushed), because the western fear of nuclear war is definitely an argument against delivering weapons. Especially here in Germany, literally every single new weapon system was considered to "cross a line", so Russia might attack if we send it.
  
  If you attack EU, you die. That shall be rule.
  First strike is the sharpest sword and the biggest shield.
  Why would you need to understand something when that something already fucks up the whole world?
- usa is blocking france and uk?
  
  Not necessarily but since USA is the biggest singular part of nato everyone would discuss with them before doing something. Unless its a linear attack on France or UK directly, then they would strike, or if a first strike is committed on them, then they would retaliate if possible.

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