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You have been banned from Lemmy.ml!
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40% of China's mineral resources are in Tibet. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.
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China is just a different form of capitalism than other nations but it’s still capitalism. It’s a degenerated workers' state.
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China is the oldest imperial state. Tibet isn’t the only place they occupy and oppress. Uyghurs and other central Asian Turks and of course Mongols on the other end. Although China does have a better claim to the land the Soviets conquered in the Sino-Soviet war.
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America and Britain are both older states than China... Even if you want to go with the most racialized ethno-nationalist view of history possible the Han Chinese who are currently on top of the Chinese ethnic pile were the conquered subjects of the Qing Dynasty, who sprang from a different ethnicity called Manchus (from Manchuria, shockingly enough)
That's just the last dynasty, the various Chinese empires were dominated by a lot of different ethnicities.
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Are you suggesting the Tibeten people weren't liberated from the slave-owning class? That Mao should have just let the Lamas practice slavery forever?
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No, OP is probably referring to the invasion as a whole, as well as the genocide and cultural/social repression carried out by the Chinese government on Tibet during its ongoing occupation of the country.
You can free slaves without needing to annex the region. Claiming an independent country for your own government to control permanently (regardless of supposed initial intent) is called imperialism.
The kidnapping of a child for the purposes of destroying/controlling the religion of a culture you conquered definitely is imperialism.
As is the shelling of civilian populations to quell protests, shelling major sacred monasteries / cultural heritage sites, imprisonment and torture of women during women’s uprising, installing your own government controlled head of a religion because the original one said bad things against your imperialist government etc.
Those are probably what OP is referring to when they mean the PRC acted imperialist when it used ”military interventions, and cultural influence to maintain their dominance over other nations” like Tibet.
^ that quoted section is from the ProleWiki page for Imperialism btw, so even by the communist/socialist definition of imperialism, the occupation of Tibet by the PRC was/is imperialist
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the original one said bad things against your imperialist government
The original one was a slave owner wtf
I don't have a very strong opinion on Tibet as I haven't been there and investigated, but anyone defending the Lamas China drove out knows even less and is just trying to twist anything at all into hostile evidence.
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You can free slaves without needing to annex the region. Claiming an independent country for your own government to control permanently (regardless of supposed initial intent) is called imperialism.
Tibet wasn't an "independent country," it was one of countless warlord states that emerged following the fall of the Qing. Both the CCP and the KMT recognized the need to pacify these states and reunify the country, so much so that they were both willing to put aside ideological differences and form a temporary alliance in order to do it. Tibet was always part of China, is still claimed by Taiwan, and never received international recognition as an independent country, just from like, Mongolia and one or two other countries.
If you want to treat Tibet as an independent country, then should we also treat all the other warlord states that were put down by the united front the same way? Should we just say that whoever has de facto control of a region is the rightful owner of it - even if it's a theocracy with a brutal system of serfdom?
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https://quokk.au/c/politicalmemes/p/475141/never-concerned-lmao
But Americans and Canadians criticizing imperialism and conquest is just a political ploy, right? Because you can't criticize a state for something your nation has done itself.
Or is it suddenly okay for some reason when it's not about genociding Palestine?
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you can’t criticize a state for something your nation has done itself
The fuck you can't. If anything it's more important for countries to point out when someone else is doing the same thing that they did wrong. Wtf is this whataboutism bullshit?
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You're really hammering home that you're only offended by criticism of China and Russia. Gotta admit, disappointing to see you're a tankie.
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China stole all my family's serfs 😡😡😡
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It's the Han man's burden to teach these savages slavery is wrong.
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Pretty sure the slaves already knew that slavery was wrong, they just couldn't do much about it because of the power the Lamas had built up from, you know, exploiting slaves.
Fortunately, when the Chinese overthrew their oppressors, they did not decide to arbitrarily exclude a region of China that had been briefly taken over by a theocracy, because why would they?
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You are the serfs son.
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There aren't any serfs in China, objectively. And the life expectancy in Tibet has more than doubled since the people were liberated.
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those two can go together
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Came to the comments expecting Imperialists simping for China with whatever straws they could grasp at and it was exactly that. Yall bootlickers piss off.