"Debris field" found near Titanic in search for missing sub, U.S. Coast Guard says
Missing Titanic sub passengers "have sadly been lost," company behind voyage says
The sub went missing while carrying five people to the wreckage of the Titanic.
Honestly the best case scenario for all involved is the hull shattering and instantly killing them all.
Practically every other outcome is a slow death knowing you’re going to die but can’t do anything about it.
I mean I'm pretty many, many scenarios involving surviving would have been better.
Since I heard about this whole fiasco I'm more and more dumbfounded.
There was this guy, who invented a way to dive for cheap (he listens to the carbon, and if there is a suspicious sound then he quickly comes back to the surface), complaining about the regulations which were holding submarines back. He fired the whistleblower who made reports about the danger of the equipment. He was fired and escorted outside.
Make him a meme, let's call him the "I told you so" guy. Surely he will be invited in TV shows about this whole affair.
The equipment, a game console controller? Seriously? Gaming equipment is simple: It's about 3% return policy. Depends on the brand. The people who swear that game controllers are safe are among the 97% who never had a return. They are the people who answers "mine works" on a forum when someone ask why his controller failed. If your game controller is broken, the service is : we send you a new one under 48 hours.
- This service policy doesn't work at 3800m under the water, folks! This is not the right equipment. What kind of person bets the life of 4 people on gaming equipment?? We all know why he did it, because he hates regulations and he hates paying a premium on redundant equipment. He is in for the money, nothing else. So let's cut the costs on the hardware, let's not listen to anyone and let's not purchase the product of the engineers who designed equipment specially with these constraints in mind.
From time to time there is always a guy who pops-up and believes that regulations are made by people with too much free time in their hands.
The game controller thing gets meme'd to death, but I don't think people focus on the right thing.
Xbox controllers are also used by the US Navy, among other branches of the military.
These are GOOD pieces of engineering, and they're tested by millions of users under pretty strenuous conditions. However, the controller the Oceangate was using was some shitty-ass third-party controller that you can get for peanuts off Amazon.
THAT, IMO, is the issue that this piece of equipment illustrates. A solid Xbox Series S controller is $60 on Amazon, and you're telling me you had to go for cheaper?
I don't think the fact that the controller was wireless gets highlighted enough. Bluetooth devices have a hard time working above sea level and you're expecting it to work 3800m below the surface. Delusional.
Also, backups: the controller doesn't bother me that much UNLESS they had no redundancies for it failing plus checklists. I.E. controller battery dies, use second controller, use wired controller, use control screen, etc. And backup mechanical linkages for critical stuff. I don't know the details but if they lacked these things, then they are (were) definitely morons.
The military uses them for autonomous vehicles. There is no risk of loss of life involved if they fail. They also aren't the only control mechanism.
The navy uses wired controllers to operate periscopes, not wireless ones, and not for anything mission critical. Although I think I remember reading some military drones are or were at one point using controllers because they're easy to train people on, but those are unmanned.
Sure they use "Xbox controllers," the difference in build quality between an authentic Xbox controller and most 3rd party controllers is pretty noticeable.
I have the wired version of the controller they used. It's Mad Catz level garbage.
The man had zero respect for the blood those regulations have been written in.
Make him a meme
Well in this case.
The front really did fall off.
Everyone is focusing on the controller, which I don’t think was the issue here. Also they had spare controllers.
The issue is the hull was made out of fucking fiberglass and titanium. This was the first dive since it had gone through a repair. Some tiny imperfection in that fiberglass, under thousands of pounds of pressure, and you’re fucked.
This is why real submarines are made out of steel.
On the plus side, it was probably a very quick death.
good. hopefully the media can stop pushing this nonsense 24/7. i wonder if the families will pay for the millions of dollars wasted in searching for these selfish idiots? who knowingly signed up for this death trap?
at least emergency services in my area charge idiots for rescues. fuck around in the White mountains and you can end up paying six figures or more for a rescue. which is as it should be. they don't however, charge for legitimate rescues.
This complete and utter lack of compassion is something I'd expect to see on Reddit. How unfortunate this mindset seems to have tagged along in the migration. Show some damn humanity.
The complete and utter lack of understanding as to why people may react in the way the person you're replying to boggles my mind. Are you willfully ignorant of how destructive billionaires can be on society? Are you completely neglecting how negligent the CEO of this diving company was about their own safety?
Instead of wagging your finger from your pedestal, spend some time understanding why so many people share this type of reaction.
Agreed, and the fact that the hateful parent comment is still sitting at the top of the thread also makes me concerned for kbin's ranking algorithm.
At the moment it has 28 "upvotes" and 51 "downvotes," which on reddit would have it buried and hidden at the bottom. Here it's remained the top comment since the article was posted.
Possibly because it has three "boosts"? I don't understand the difference between boosts and votes. But this site is going to have to do something about it, because normal people are going to run from this place if this kind of sociopathic content is elevated here.
I have zero compassion for people who claim any safety measures taken are ridiculous, pay extraoridinary amounts of money to do something stupid, and potentially cause the death of a young kid.
And then waste extraordinary resources in public funding to "fix" it.
Hope these families get charged for every dollar.
It's not some exclusively Reddit behaviour - it's just that much common, unfortunately.
the complete disregard of human beings who don't have tons of financial wealth and the worship and waste of those who do, that is something you think is positive?
you simple don't regard the poor as human. a very common perspective.
"good" "selfish idiots"
Such disregard for life is unjustifiable and inexcusable - I don't know what values you aspire to live by, but celebrating death or wishing punitive suffering on anyone is certain to perpetuate harm.
It's tragic that people died regardless of the lives they lead. I have no love for the ultra wealthy, and this event overshadowing the capsized migrant boat highlights our collective hypocrisy, but celebrating death & suffering is a self-destructive and socially regressive action that I hope fewer people do. Instead of directing your ire towards the individuals who died I hope that you and other readers direct that frustration towards the systemic failures those individuals embodied, and I hope you find a way use that anger for constructive action towards a better world.
oh ok. so we should just make everyone immortal forever then.
think through what you are saying and you might realize the absurdity of it.
They signed a waiver, so when the sub went missing, that shoulda been the end of it. Because you can't argue with a waiver.
Liability waiver are not the end all, be all of legal action. If the company was negligent that is not going to be covered in the waiver. There are also other caveats that may be relevant to if the waiver is valid and enforceable. I'd be curious about which jusisdiction's laws apply.
Not only can you absolutely argue with a waiver (and I'm sure the families will), but that's only an agreement between the company and the customer, not the customer and the governmental agencies involved in the rescue.
Crazy. I wanted to check to see if there had been any updates and I was going to check Reddit because I thought I was more likely to find info quickly there. But I decided that I couldn't have seen it on Kbin first if I didn't give Kbin the chance and check it first and here is the exact info I was looking for at the very top of the first page of my Kbin app.
This is how we become the front page of the internet -- it's not gonna be instant, but keep posting and understand with content here first and slowly but surely we'll be the place to be
I still can't get my head around being the type of person who would get on that thing.
First you've gotta have more money than sense. Then multiple the money tenfold.
Marine Traffic app showed at least a dozen ships clustered above the site until about an hour ago; now there's two government vessels - everyone else has gone home.
I don't need any press conference to tell me they're all dead.
Debris field can't be that bad of a diagnosis.
Guillermo Sohnlein said the group may have extended their life support supplies by "relaxing as much as possible."
Ah yes, the sweet relaxation of slow death. Not that they would have had much time to relax anyway, if the debris field is the remains of their vessel.
It would suck if they saw it coming, like slow leaks in the cabin or a crack forming in the view port... they would not have had to worry about it for long but they still may have had time to panic which would be quite shiddy
Oof yeah, damn. Or having the vessel slowly fill up with water or something. Honestly any of the possible death scenarios sound terrifying, hopefully it wasn't prolonged suffering.
slow leaks in the cabin or a crack forming
That doesn't happen at that pressure. If something is wrong it just gets completely squished in milliseconds.
Basically imagine a super strong pressure washer, but the water is not just a very thin jet, but instead everything around you.
Depends a lot on the depth, considering they were only halfway I imagine the water pressure combined with air escaping would have depressurized and atomized everything within 0.1-1.5 second.
They would have heard the hull moaning, before it happened, But, if they saw water even a drop or even a crack, they wouldn't have had time to comprehend they were dead.
I was thinking that it would be best to sleep as much as possible.
@NPR had an article the other day about a submarine rescue in those sorts of circumstances: https://www.npr.org/2023/06/20/1183249112/missing-titanic-submarine-rescue-pisces-iii
It was a small (phone booth-ish?) two-man sub stranded for three days back in 1973. The two men conserved oxygen by not speaking or moving and were successfully recovered.
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Makes me wondering what that banging sound was then.
When searchers are desperately looking for any signs of life, any sounds can be mistaken for a clue.
Maybe they had early warning signs that something was wrong with the sub. Maybe it imploded later. Dunno.
I was thinking that maybe the billionaires son killed everyone else in the sub, so that he could save himself by having 2 weeks of oxygen, and a ready food supply if needed.
Among Us IRL?
@fury @Girlparts coulda been anything. Lots of things make banging noises underwater.
Could have even been hundreds of miles away.
Heck there's recordings of artic ice cracking from the middle of the Pacific!
@fury Pieces of debris banging into each other in the waves
Well, that's less wear and tear on the Guillotines when the revolution comes.
So many shitty people in this thread. What is this, Reddit?
I'm ngl, I'm kind of morbidly curious what, if any, remains are there when a sub at this depth implodes. Will there even be any bodies that are retrievable?
As sad and morbid it is to think about, there's probably not anything left other than a fine mist disbursed through the ocean.
I'm reminded of the one episode of Mythbusters where they tested an old school dive suit at depth with loss of pressure. Not the exact same situation, but consider they are MUCH deeper than this was. And in that test on the show, their human analogue looked like it got finely blended into a pile of mush inside the suit. The pressures that deep are no joke.
As another comparison, I'm sure someone with actual numbers could compare the PSI at the depth they went missing to what is put through from a hydraulic press and just go watch any video on the hydraulic press YT channel for comparison.
My very brief searches into how pressure affects objects at depth tells me that any pockets of air inside a container (like a human body) would cause the container to implode.
In summary, no.
There are some videos online of Delta P and it's affects. Most are not NSFL, but it illustrate this better below is a video of a railroad tanker car that was drained of liquid but not vented:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz95VvTxZM
That's at 1ATM maximum. At 13,000ft there 500ATM. A large delta P has no problem pulping just about anything given the chance for catastrophic failure.
Coast Guard says the debris field was "consistent with a catastrophic implosion of the vessel" and would have been picked up if it had happened after the search was underway.
Have you all seen images of that Horizon Artic ship? Thing looks very futuristic:
http://www.thescubanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/horizon-arctic-15-03-2021-1.jpg
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Pressure at those depths is terrifying, but at least there isn't any doubt of the outcome. Being lost with no evidence would be far harder on the families.
I heard they used equipment rated for 1000 meters at like 4000 meters, like the CEO was bragging about it and he was bragging safety is overrated and overdone etc. What an absolute shit show of a company.
Looks like Stockton made the list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listofinventorskilledbytheirowninvention#Maritime
What an absolutely fascinating list. Had no idea about the Artist for the Denver Statue.
His entry is right below one of the shipbuilders from the Titanic!
It's poetic that the last person in the maritime category is the architect of the Titanic, Thomas Andrews
There are so many other things I'd like to see in a sub that are probably way safer and a lot more beautiful than a hunk of rusting metal
I guess you could say they... Buckled under the pressure 🎉
Apparently the debris found was "a landing frame and rear cover from the submersible". So it sounds like they didn't have to suffer slowly.
I’m surprised by the amount of people who thought they would die from running out of oxygen in 96 hours or whatever it was. At that depth the tiniest structural failure and that sardine can is going to blow into pieces, including the occupants.
They were dead days ago when they first went missing.
A few innocent people are the victims of one conman’s dream of selling titanic tours.
The opposite of blowing up, actually.
Not sure I'd call him a con man, if he believed in it himself. He was on the ship, if I heard right.
The possibility that was haunting me was that the Titan might have surfaced but couldn’t communicate its location, so the passengers were just bobbing along, trapped and running out of oxygen, while searchers simply didn’t find them in time.
I guess the other nightmare would’ve been if the Titan got caught on something deep underwater and couldn’t surface or communicate even though the submersible was intact.
As it was, I assume/hope they didn’t know what was about to happen and didn’t suffer.
Source? I'm really curious to see what they found.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jun/22/titanic-sub-live-updates-search-titan-missing-submarine-submersible-rescue-us-coast-guard-latest-news?page=with:block-649484ac8f08c081c5bb64fa#block-649484ac8f08c081c5bb64fa
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