2y ago

Head of NATO says Russia invaded Ukraine because of NATO expansionism

www.nato.int

Remarks by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg at joint committee meeting at the European Parliament

From the guy's own mouth.

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There is nothing in this that reflects the title. It's nothing more than passive propaganda. They are relying on people to just read the title and not open the link.
What is actually said is:
And let me just end by saying that this reflects the political reality that nations are sovereign. Nations decide themselves, and Ukraine has of course the right to decide its own path. And it's up to Ukraine and NATO Allies to decide when Ukraine becomes a member. Russia cannot veto membership for any sovereign independent state in Europe.
- Actually he also said (in the link):
  “The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.”
  
  "If you don't promise to stop making new friends, I'm going to kill another one."
  
  Some Presidents should stick to declaring only things they have control over.
  
  This is so hilariously weak who did you think you would convince with this quote blatantly showing your title to be a lie. Lmao.
  
  what about 2014
The closest thing to the lie you wrote is the part where it says Putin demanded that NATO stop recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign country. So he's invading Ukraine because NATO didn't allow him to annex Ukraine Anschluss and annexation of Sudetenland style. And if you think that would help, remember that appeasing Putin over Georgia and, effectively, over Crimea and Donbass didn't do shit to stop his aggression.
Besides the document implies what was already obvious, which is that, before the war, Ukraine wasn't even going to be allowed into NATO any time soon, NATO countries just couldn't sign an agreement that would limit Ukraine's sovereignty.
Literally nowhere in these remarks does it say "expansion" or "expansionism"...
- Ahh yes you have to think a bit critically.
What he's saying is that Putin doesn't get to dictate which alliances sovereign nations can join.
- "The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that."
  
  "Don't allow others to join your defense pact or we'll demonstrate why it's necessary in the first place."
  Perfectly sane logic. Nothing strange.
  
  And Ukraine was already invaded…
Tankies everywhere in this post lol
- For real. They really fucking love Putin too, it's pathetic.
  
  Apparently leftism is when you support right-wing authoritarian capitalists lmao
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