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Every day you wake up in the morning you can open up your phone and check new videos of murdered and mutilated children in Palestine at the hands of Israel.
You can go on a google search to find images of the 1989 Tiananmen protest and the violence that took place, very gore stuff. We're talking 1989, most cameras were analog, bulky and visible, and required professional developing afterwards. As censored as that's been in China, you can still find plenty of photo evidence of violence in and against the protests.
Yet, in 2025, somehow, in the smartphone era, when almost literally every Chinese adult citizen carries a camera in their pocket with internet access (and widespread non-prosecuted access of VPNs in China to bypass the great firewall), there isn't a shred of photographic evidence of violence against the Uyghur people. The claims start on 2019-2020, and in FIVE YEARS, it hasn't been possible to capture photographic evidence of the harrowing genocide?
I googled it and found a literal trove of evidence.
Here's a starting point since it's eluded you for so long.
How is this evidence of genocide? This is evidence for the existence of correction camps (which you can obviously criticise) during a very concrete period of time in Xinjiang over the span of a few years, not evidence of genocide
genocide, by definition, includes the erasure of a cultural group.
these camps are purpose built to erase a specific culture through "re-education". that is genocide.
these camps are purpose built to erase a specific culture through "re-education"
Then why did the camps close after the few years it took for the counter-terrorism campaign to work? Why does Xinjiang have a regional government, with its chairman being an Uyghur man called Erkin Tuniyaz? Why are there above 100 Islamic associations in Xinjiang with imams teaching theology and Arabic?
This was the point where you moved the goalposts and revealed you're not willing to discuss in good faith.
Have you read the picture which makes this post? It literally revolves around the word "genocide". Who's moving the goalposts here by saying "well maybe it's not a genocide but there's been some extent of police state during a counter-terrorism campaign"?
You're correct, that is what the meme is referencing.
However, I responded to your statement attempting to deny photographic evidence of violence.
14 independent sources; yet you still are denying the evidence and moving goalposts.
This is what you wrote as of this comment:
Yet, in 2025, somehow, in the smartphone era, when almost literally every Chinese adult citizen carries a camera in their pocket with internet access (and widespread non-prosecuted access of VPNs in China to bypass the great firewall), there isn’t a shred of photographic evidence of violence against the Uyghur people.
It seems like some evidence of violence against them exists, and has been corroborated by multiple sources.
"14 independent sources", none of which provides photographic evidence of violence? These "leaks" are mostly reports in Chinese that you have to trust have been translated accurately and unbiasedly by western political actors, not "pictures of people in concentration camps".
I also mentioned multiple times the genocide in the comment you're quoting, and you're choosing to overfocus on the single time I didn't.
So you're acknowledging that the actions in China against Uighurs also amount to genocidal?
I also mentioned multiple times the genocide in the comment you’re quoting, and you’re choosing to overfocus on the single time I didn’t.
I'm glad we're in agreement. It seemed you were trying to make a different point.
Given the sheer volume and consistency of evidence from multiple independent sources, it is difficult to dispute the compelling case of widespread human rights violations.
No, reported violations of human rights during a reduced and specific timeframe in a counter- terrorist campaign accompanied by massive investment in economic development, dont amount to genocidal.
volume and consistency of evidence from multiple independent sources
That is if you swallow CIA propaganda only
Calling the comprehensive evidence of human rights abuses against Uighurs 'CIA propaganda' dismisses the work of:
- Independent UN investigators who found credible allegations of crimes against humanity.
- Respected international human rights organizations that conduct meticulous, on-the-ground investigations and collect survivor testimonies.
- Academic scholars who publish peer-reviewed research.
- Journalists from around the world who have risked their safety to document these realities.
These are not government intelligence agencies. Their findings are based on a volume and consistency of evidence that stands up to scrutiny, regardless of how inconvenient it may be to label it as such. The narrative of 'economic development' doesn't negate systematic human rights abuses.
These are not government intelligence agencies
They don't have to be to show western anti-chinese bias.
Yes, I dismiss the Amnesty International research based on lies, a.k.a. "anonymous interviews". Yes, I dismiss western-based analysis of translations of compiled gigabytes of Chinese documents. Yes, I dismiss "scholar" work based on the west.
Would you trust a Chinese university's analysis of, say, democracy in the US? Would you trust a Chinese NGO in its analysis of the treatment of Ukrainians in the ongoing conflict?
Not a shred of photographic evidence
That is misleading. Why did authorities try to stop BBC from filming?
Because BBC is a British state media company, and it has motives to create anti-china propaganda. The EU famously forbade access to Russian media after the invasion of Ukraine, do you think this is to prevent the outside world from seeing the horrors of the EU? Is there Chinese state media presence in US congress press releases?
Again: how does China stop every single Uyghur adult from taking pics with their smartphone? How did they not manage in 1989 with a reduced number of analog cameras which would need professional development, but they can manage in the smartphone era where a Chinese citizen can upload a picture on the internet 10 seconds after taking it?
Except there's evidence, and not just satellite photos of internment camps. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/hacked-chinese-government-files-gives-new-insights-on-the-mass-detention-of-ethnic-uighurs
You can continue to hang onto some conspiracy-theory-esque logic of "but it doesn't make sense", or you can face reality. There are enough hurdles to getting a photo on the internet and then noticed by the wider public that it's entirely explainable.
Source of your article:
The files were leaked to Adrian Zenz
If you still take seriously anything coming from Adrian Zenz, chairman of the Victims of Communism Memorial Association and rabid Christian conservative, it's your fault
Thanks, I hadn't seen that. What strikes me as odd is that neither side mentions a huge factor in the conflict: China's investment in the "belt & road" initiative which relies on the old "Silk Road" route which passes through Xinjiang.
The Uighurs did have an independence separatist movement (China isn't paranoid) and it would disrupt these plans. China aint letting go of its tight grip any time soon.
weak. Ok, education camps show videos of how glorious and indivisible China is. Did you know that US children are forced to recite similar pledge of allegiance every day? Ok, the police have made a plan for dealing with insurrection. This is pure brainwashing about the power to present nothing as brainwashing, with enough style and dramatic music score.
Yes, murica and china are pretty much on the same level when it comes to indoctrination. That doesn't make either a good thing. I find the leadership of both countries abhorrent, sometimes one more than the other.
Any source from anywhere could be propaganda. Here is your chance to debunk the BBC report if you want.
You are confusing banning news production by foreigners with banning transmission of foreign news.
BBC probably did make it difficult for Russian state news to access UK social media users after Russia invaded Ukraine for their "three day special operation" (obviously a lie from the start). They probably did not forbid access to the Russian journalists wanting to film in the UK.
China probably forbids BBC news with their great internet firewall. I know they ban the Tiananmen Square massacre imagery.
I don't think UK forbids Chinese from filming in UK. China did not forbid BBC from filming in China either but they did try to forbid filming the detention centre.
Again: how does China stop every single Uyghur adult from taking pics with their smartphone?
Not "every single Uygur", just the ones locked up. That is how detention works, even in the West.
Any source from anywhere could be propaganda
Which is why I'm bringing up things such as the overwhelming lack of photographic evidence over the 5+ years since the claims started, not exclusively blaming the BBC.
Here is your chance to debunk the BBC report if you want
Very convenient how the burden of proof is on me to prove that a report is fake. Casting away fake news is easy and doesn't require any research or effort, debunking them is more complicated. How about this: the lack of photographic evidence from the BBC or any other report is enough for me to deny the claims of genocide.
You are confusing banning news production by foreigners with banning transmission of foreign news
No, I talked about both, I gave you the explicit example of the lack of Chinese state media in US institutional press releases.
China probably forbids BBC news with their great internet firewall
Good. Things like this are why there isn't a pro-fascist movement in China, unlike the western world. China is progressively opening up now that it has enough soft power to maintain the western propaganda at bay, whereas the west closes up to Chinese social media by banning Tiktok or requiring it to have american ownership.
know they ban the Tiananmen Square massacre imagery
Yet you can readily find pictures of it happening, how come you can't find pictures of a 5-year-long genocide in the age of smartphones?
Not "every single Uygur", just the ones locked up
The reeducation centers are almost all closed already. I'm not arguing there wasn't a reeducation campaign for a few years in Xinjiang targeting Uyghur people as a measure of counter-terrorism, I'm arguing that it's already over (hence no news since 2022-2023) and that it doesn't remotely constitute genocide.
Seems you missed my point:
Again: how does China stop every single Uyghur adult from taking pics with their smartphone?
Not “every single Uygur”, just the ones locked up. That is how detention works, even in the West.
So there was the BBC and the PBS report another person provided in the comments.
By the way, I agree there was no genocide. See my other comments where I acknowledge the Uighur separatist movement threatening access to the Silk Road so obviously the CCP has to try something.
such an embarrassing propaganda nothing burger. BBC propaganda crew being stopped from filming proves any demonic lie they made? Where is armed "supervisors", where is barbed wire surrounding factories? "victims of communism" organization is a nazi front. BBC a CIA propaganda arm. OMG a job recruitment ad mentioned the "glory of work" in its marketing appeal. Must be mind control forced labour.