it's good to look in the mirror and understand the material outcomes of voter behavior
it's good to look in the mirror and understand the material outcomes of voter behavior
I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?
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Sure, the material consequences if you, specifically, live in a swing state. I do, so I voted for Kamala. But this take, applied outside of states that were up for grabs, is asinine. But hey, nuance is for people who don't want to just keep trying the same failed approach to presidential elections every 4 years and would rather bitch about anyone less moderate than them.
But this take, applied outside of states that were up for grabs, is asinine.
What take? Philly D's post question or my own response to it? (/gen I am just missing what you are referring to promise!)
I took your response to be supportive of Philly D's post, but sorry if I misunderstood.
Yeah no worries I was more looking to genuinely engage with the question he asks. No blame before the question is answered :)
I guess your title really gets to the heart of my take on this. If there aren't material consequences for most of the people who voted third party I really don't understand the anger a lot of people feel towards them. In swing states sure, but for the rest of the people? It just doesn't make sense to me unless there's some fundamental misunderstanding about how our elections work.
unless there’s some fundamental misunderstanding about how our elections work.
Yeah, this is pretty much the core of it, I think. There were very minor attempts to gain nuance on the issue, say, there were people in the swing states that were committing to a vote towards kamala which would be contingent on an equivalent one or two protest votes for a given DSA or PSL or whatever other kind of candidate in a non-swing state, so as to be a protest vote.
I think the underlying logic kind of remains the same though. You can't leverage votes, because democrats don't give a shit if they lose, realistically. That's jack shit, to them, they don't really care one way or the other, I think. Cynical part of my brain says that trump probably didn't even really want to run a second time, and also didn't really want to win, and is just coasting on the momentum that he had previously which has sort of locked him into the track he's currently on, which would at the very least comically make this election a comical contest between candidates who are almost actively trying to lose.