China developer's (Soho China) profit falls 93% in fresh blow to property market
China developer's (Soho China) profit falls 93% in fresh blow to property market
Soho China reveals 1H plunge hours after Evergrande seeks bankruptcy protection
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Can someone ELI know nothing about the Chinese financial/real estate market? Is this China's 2008 moment?
ELI5 about the Chinese real estate market in general? This is how they got to where they are today:
- Investing in China sucks. The stock market is extremely volatile and there seem to be a lot of shady activities, banks get bank runs so you couldn't even put too much money in banks, etc
- In contrast, real estate is heavily subsidized by China's state capitalistic approach, so it became a really "stable" investment... because government subsidized it
- Because of this, everyone buys or want to buy real estate in China. In fact, people are willing to buy places that would almost never be lived in, because of possibility of appreciation... so we're approaching NFT-level bullshit here
- Additional point: because of the above point, Chinese investors would buy real estate even when abroad & the RE market is not nearly as favorable. Obviously this causes some frictions... like a good chunk of Canadian citizen blaming Chinese ppl on raising home prices
- Chinese economy is now facing hardship, so the real estate bubble is finally showing signs of leakage in the past few years
I am not an economist and cannot offer insight as to whether this would turn into an 2008 moment... Nevertheless, I am aware that Soho is an extremely well-known developer, and that the Chinese economy is to a large extent built on top of real estate. And despite how much I dislike China, it is one of the world's largest economies, and large economies don't just go belly-up without inflicting heavy damage on the whole world... So this is not good news by any means.
That was a really good explanation of things.
People have been talking about this stuff since about a year ago
Overall it is a bunch of dominoes that keep rippling into China's economy and by extension the US that doesn't seem to be getting better, but circling the drain.
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Yikes. Thanks for that. I knew there was some rampant speculation going on, but I haven't had time to really dig in.
Currently the real estate market seems to be on very shaky grounds as developers have debts that they're not being able to pay off. So bonds whose coupons are due are not being paid.
Chinese citizens generally pay up front a certain amount (or fully) long before they move into their apartments. This money is generally used to complete construction. But developers seem to have used this to buy other properties for construction, over leveraging themselves. And now that construction is wayyy behind schedule and the people still can't move in, they're refusing to pay their mortgages causing banks to pull back lending and become more strict with debt restructuring for developers.
Tldr: Way too many homes built for people who don't want them. Lots of loans might be unpaid. Might affect other sectors.
Thanks!