Here’s the note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen
Here’s the note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen
plans to pursue changes” that would let regular users vote moderators out more easily
I think that's a good thing in the long run. A lot of reddit moderators are absolutely shit people, and having an actual process to remove them is a good thing.
It should go without saying fuck u/spez and that his motives here are absolutely malicious in nature, but I do see some small good coming from this.
Then we also don't know if the action is just temporary to just remedy a problem before IPO or a serious consideration. Rolling it out quickly is moronic too because what about smaller subs & targeted harassment.
Along with the "better mod tools" ... I was laughing my ass off when the fuckstick spez said that while they cut off the 3rd party apps, they are diligently working and will soon have "better mod tools" immediately. Which of course prompted someone to link to a quote from spez himself saying almost verbatim the same thing 6 years ago.
Self burn - those are rare.
In 2018 spez defended use of the n-word and I’ve been itching to leave since. I hate I needed an alternative to leave, but liking it here.
I can foresee this having quite an impact on the infamous u/AwkwardTheTurtle.
I think they're rolling it out rapidly at this point in time for the same reason that they've resisted it for years - it's going to 'force' subs / mods to become more populist and more easily bent & manipulated by the whims of people "outside" the community, like reaching them via /all or similar.
No denying that Reddit has been ass as far as accountability and addressing problem moderators - but unless this mechanism is made super arcane black-box shit to prevent manipulation, this is very liable to result in tightly focused communities getting completely redirected.
Worse IMO is how much anything like a mod "election" is like grade-school Class President elections - it's not about realistic campaign points, or about accomplishing meaningful things, it's about popularity and talking hot shit, regardless of practical outcomes or larger implications. The kid who is gonna abolish detention, make recess four hours, and give our free gummy frogs every Tuesday is gonna win the vote - even if they can't realistically make changes to the school and can't afford candy for the class each week.
Just wait until spam rings start hijacking small subs via botnet mod votes.
I think it’s a weird way to look at moderation as if it was democratic. Voting bad mods out is one thing, but I don’t think you can just vote new good mods in. Moderation is a lot of unpaid work. Even if a large part of a community is unhappy with a mod decision, removing the mods doesn’t mean there will be people with that much time on their hands to step up, and even if there are, it’s not easy to choose the good ones among them by a simple popular vote…
Some of the subs I was on had some elaborate setups with mod tools and bots and the mods were still quite busy. Replacing them with randoms who then also don’t have access to the tools would be entirely pointless.
On the other hand, it's a terrible system to have mods as unassailable tyrants.
As an example, I was banned from a popular sub for corrective someone about a minor detail of a shooting. I correctly cited the appropriate state law in question, and I was banned for being a right-wing extremist. I am a leftist, and linked numerous comments I had made in the past that reflected as such. The mods made a vague excuse about how my comment would just cause unnecessary confusion and muted me. People like that should not be allowed authority over anything, let alone a forum for public discourse.
I think that's a good thing in the long run. A lot of reddit moderators are absolutely shit people, and having an actual process to remove them is a good thing.
You want Nazi's taking over? Because that's how you get Nazis taking over.
Divide & conquer
This seems to have rattled a few cages. r/Science the latest to effectively back down and unfortunately I think there will be more following suit.
r/nfl did an hour and a half ago.
"you better get back to working for free or we're going to let the bots vote you out in the future."
plans to pursue changes” that would let regular users vote moderators out more easily
I think that's a good thing in the long run.
There is already a perfectly fine mechanism to deal with bad mods, you just go to a different sub. That approach has worked fine for many years.
There's a reason they never added any other mechanism.
Don't forget there are people with tens of thousands of aged accounts that are itching for ways to make money with them.
Delete your posts, edit your comments.
https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/35158/Joyfully-running-Shreddit#entry-comment-150413
"In a pinned message on r/funny, the biggest subreddit to go private before recently reopening, a moderator implored Reddit “to listen to its moderators, its contributors, and its everyday users” and asked it to “not tacitly enable bad actors by working against your volunteers.” r/Apple also recently reopened after being closed out of fears that it would be forcibly reopened. “We want the best for this community and have no choice but to open it back up — or have it opened for us,” a moderator wrote. Another r/Apple mod is resigning in protest of Reddit’s actions."
Imagine having no spine, except that 1 mod (kudos to that person).
Why even bother to blackout if you are gonna bulge after the first threat?
Do even the subs themselves thought that 48 hours was enough to do something? Can someone be that naive?
I thought the subs were actually gonna abide by what the community wants?
How is opening up helping the community when you voted to be down indefinitely just 1 day ago? It is actively screwing them because it shows Reddit is right.
Following it up with a pinned message telling how you still not agree, btch please.
Just stop with the posturing then and bend over for Reddit already.
Conspire against them, and "replace" the mods with more who are just going to continue to protest as well!
Wishful thinking, I know.
It is like an abusive relationship. Just imagine how much time these mods spend on those subs. How much effort they've put in. I don't fault some of them for not being able to walk away or be unable to bear handing the keys over to a bad actor.
I fully understand that. Plus, there would be no way of organizing what I had mentioned anyway. I just sucks seeing this guy lie, and tear down these communities and quite frankly, escapes for a lot of people.
I saw a comment on r/eyebleach asking them not to go private again, because they like to browse it when they're feeling down... all because of greedy ass hats.
This, for me, was the final straw. Deleted my reddit and joined some of the alternatives.
It’s really eye opening reading thinly veiled threats in Reddit’s wholesome chungus corporate-speak these past couple days. What a garbage company
If they force subs back open, mods all over the site should go on strike. If the admins don't value mods enough to honor their word and follow their own rules, they should see what an unmoderated reddit looks like. Maybe that will be a wake up call.
I was a mod and just quit entirely. Fuck them.
If they replace the mods and add the ability to vote out mods like they said, community should just repeatedly vote out the scabs.
Won't happen because the votes aren't actually going to be votes. Reddit will just claim a majority voted in favor of kicking out the current ones, and then claim that no one wants to kick out the ones they instill
Or sabotage it by only voting for the worst mods.
Do mods have the power to just nuke their subreddit? That'd be the biggest move. If a few big subreddits were to do this, that'd be an instant and significant loss.
Just make a python bot that auto removes every single post and comment from the subs. That would completely kill Reddit in a matter of hours
I imagine somebody inside reddit has already considered that as a possibility, assuming it's something they can do, and will have a plan involving backups to restore them. Assuming the backups aren't full of deleted posts or garbage by the time they realize they need them.
I think mods should just do a bad job at modding. Silent quitting ftw. Let bots through, let spam pass through. At this point reddit made it clear they don’t want to work with mods.