No Stupid Questions @lemmy.world cll7793 @lemmy.world 1y ago

What are the most mindblowing things in mathematics?

What concepts or facts do you know from math that is mind blowing, awesome, or simply fascinating?

Here are some I would like to share:

Gödel's incompleteness theorems: There are some problems in math so difficult that it can never be solved no matter how much time you put into it.
Halting problem: It is impossible to write a program that can figure out whether or not any input program loops forever or finishes running. (Undecidablity)

The Busy Beaver function

Now this is the mind blowing one. What is the largest non-infinite number you know? Graham's Number? TREE(3)? TREE(TREE(3))? This one will beat it easily.

The Busy Beaver function produces the fastest growing number that is theoretically possible. These numbers are so large we don't even know if you can compute the function to get the value even with an infinitely powerful PC.
In fact, just the mere act of being able to compute the value would mean solving the hardest problems in mathematics.
Σ(1) = 1
Σ(4) = 13
Σ(6) > 10¹⁰10¹⁰10¹⁰10¹⁰10¹⁰10¹⁰10¹⁰10 (10s are stacked on each other)
Σ(17) > Graham's Number
Σ(27) If you can compute this function the Goldbach conjecture is false.
Σ(744) If you can compute this function the Riemann hypothesis is false.

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I came here to find some cool, mind-blowing facts about math and have instead confirmed that I'm not smart enough to have my mind blown. I am familiar with some of the words used by others in this thread, but not enough of them to understand, lol.
- Same here! Great post but I'm out! lol
  
  Nonsense! I can blow both your minds without a single proof or mathematical symbol, observe!
  
  There are different sizes of infinity.
  
  Think of integers, or whole numbers; 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and so on. How many are there? Infinite, you can always add one to your previous number.
  
  Now take odd numbers; 1, 3, 5, 7, and so on. How many are there? Again, infinite because you just add 2 to the previous odd number and get a new odd number.
  
  Both of these are infinite, but the set of numbers containing odd numbers is by definition smaller than the set of numbers containing all integers, because it doesn't have the even numbers.
  
  But they are both still infinite.
  
  Your fact is correct, but the mind-blowing thing about infinite sets is that they go against intuition.
  
  Even if one might think that the number of odd numbers is strictly less than the number of all natural numbers, these two sets are in fact of the same size. With the mapping n |-> 2*n - 1 you can map each natural number to a different odd number and you get every odd number with this (such a function is called a bijection), so the sets are per definition of the same size.
  
  To get really different "infinities", compare the natural numbers to the real numbers. Here you can't create a map which gets you all real numbers, so there are "more of them".
  
  I may be wrong or have misunderstood what you said but the sets of natural numbers and odd numbers have the same size/cardinality. If there exists a bijection between the two sets then they have the same size.
  
  f(x) = 2x + 1 is such a bijection
  
  For the same reason, N, Z and Q have the same cardinality. The fact that each one is included in the next ones doesn't mean their size is different.
  
  Agree. Uncountable infinities are much more mind blowing. It was an interesting journey realising first that everything like time and distance are continuous when learning math the then realising they're not when learning physics.
  
  Both of these are infinite, but the set of numbers containing odd numbers is by definition smaller than the set of numbers containing all integers, because it doesn't have the even numbers.
  
  This is provably false - the two sets are the same size. If you take the set of all integers, and then double each number and subtract one, you get the set of odd numbers. Since you haven't removed or added any elements to the initial set, the two sets have the same size.
  
  The size of this set was named Aleph-zero by Cantor.
  
  There was a response I left in the main comment thread but I'm not sure if you will get the notification. I wanted to post it again so you see it
  
  Response below
  
  Please feel free to ask any questions! Math is a wonderful field full of beauty but unfortunately almost all education systems fail to show this and instead makes it seem like raw robotic calculations instead of creativity.
  
  Math is best learned visually and with context to more abstract terms. 3Blue1Brown is the best resource in my opinion for this!
  
  Here's a mindblowing fact for you along with a video from 3Blue1Brown. Imagine you are sliding a 1,000,000 kg box and slamming it into a 1 kg box on an ice surface with no friction. The 1 kg box hits a wall and bounces back to hit the 1,000,000 kg box again.
  
  The number of bounces that appear is the digits of Pi. Crazy right? Why would pi appear here? If you want to learn more here's a video from the best math teacher in the world.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEfHFsfGXjs
  
  That's so cool! Thanks for the reply and the link.
- Please feel free to ask any questions! Math is a wonderful field full of beauty but unfortunately almost all education systems fail to show this and instead makes it seem like raw robotic calculations instead of creativity.
  
  Math is best learned visually and with context to more abstract terms. 3Blue1Brown is the best resource in my opinion for this!
  
  Here's a mindblowing fact for you along with a video from 3Blue1Brown. Imagine you are sliding a 1,000,000 kg box and slamming it into a 1 kg box on an ice surface with no friction. The 1 kg box hits a wall and bounces back to hit the 1,000,000 kg box again.
  
  The number of bounces that appear is the digits of Pi. Crazy right? Why would pi appear here? If you want to learn more here's a video from the best math teacher in the world.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEfHFsfGXjs
  
  Thanks! I appreciate the response. I've seen some videos on 3blue1brown and I've really enjoyed them. I think if I were to go back and fill in all the blank spots in my math experience/education I would enjoy math quite a bit.

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