Migrants aren't pushing down wages. It's your boss.
Migrants aren't pushing down wages. It's your boss.
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The only dubya that's good
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Kind of a messed up take here but migrants are used as a tool by the proletariat to keep wages low and to push down wages. I see the perspective that C-Suite Individuals (CEO, COO, CFO, etc.) keep wages low and pocket the multi-million dollar change, but how do they justify it? "Market Rate" is a good way to deflect blame nowhere. Everyone's moving labor outside of the US, and at least for me as a USA born working class individual, it weakens my ability to earn for my family.
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Would you say that limiting yourself to only "working class" jobs, whatever that means to you, is also weakening your ability to earn?
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I'm sorry if I'm being dumb but I don't get what you're asking. I work as a unionized engineer and then always try to keep a second side hustle job (cashier, waiter, etc.). When I was a non-union engineer I saw third party companies hiring people that were underqualified and across the globe, remotely taking jobs. As a waiter/cashier however, I didn't see this at all. Although I was working minimum wage so I don't think anyone would necessarily ask lower.
The point I was trying to make is that, when I was making $35 an hour non-unionized, firms would offer to have remote engineers for $30 an hour. So now I'm effectively "over" market rate, and am at risk of being fired. This weakens my ability to earn for my family. If the latter didn't exist, I could have asked for $40 an hour even. Thankfully I'm now unionized at around that rate so I'm okay. But for my friends that aren't minimum wage, but aren't flying stacks of money rich, they are constantly at risk of just being another budget issue.
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Dude never said "working class" they said "middle" and their point is that a diverse field of labor used to and should earn that sort of status. The winnowing and undermining of the pay structure has pushed more people lower than they should be. What their place is inside that structure is not relevant to the opinion. This has nothing to do with their personal financial circumstances.
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Yea man, and how are they doing it?
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They keep more of the money while inflation does its job?
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In many industries they focus on bringing in foreign labour so they can keep supply high and costs low.
You’d probably have a lot more people picking fruit if they had to start paying an appealing wage.
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If overhead increases at a lower rate than profits, they will take more in profit. If all workers who meet the employment requirements are only willing to work if the pay is higher, then it would have to increase to attract them, thereby increasing overhead and reducing profits.
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It's not your boss, it's "executive leadership", the board of directors, and the shareholders.
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But my boss is an immigrant. Although, so am I...
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One of the worst unions our lads ever joined. Sorry. Unison were even worse for us. Went to Unite and similar and now shit is getting done.
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Yeah all the "migrants" ive worked with were paid same as i was. Worked just as hard for the most part but like every other demographic there are people who, for their own reasons, chose not to. Could be a cultural thing i dont know, but it doesnt make them look too good when i have to do their job as well as mine.
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You have to be a certain level of stupid to believe a migrant is the reason your pay sucks.
The migrant isn’t the reason, no, but an oversupply of people and under supply of jobs will depress wages.
So intentionally immigrating more people than the economy can bear will drive down the cost of labor.
That’s the entire point of TFW and H1B
Undersupply of jobs? That's weird coming from all the "nobody wants to work" rhetoric.
If a company wants to pay a illegal/migrant worker over an red blooded American, that's capitalism baby! Solve that issue instead.
https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w32389/w32389.pdf
Basically all published research on this subject indicates that migrant labour has very little effect on native wages.
This makes sense, because a migrant is a human being, not a machine. That is, they do not just produce, they also consume.
Incidentally, I'm very gratified by people here not tolerating this sort of fash adjacent rhetoric. Shit made reddit intolerable.
This is true, but do note that if one starts paying illegal workers under minimum wage, then that should also has the effect of stealing jobs — the employer would choose whatever labour is cheapest that meets their requirements.
But it's what my HateTV News channel tells me! They wouldn't lie.
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