Fellow C and Rust programmers, how do you live without classes?
Fellow C and Rust programmers, how do you live without classes?
I lived in a perfect OOP bubble for my entire life. Everything was peaceful and it worked perfectly. When I wanted to move that player, I do player.move(10.0, 0.0); When I want to collect a coin, I go GameMan -> collect_coin(); And when I really need a global method, so be it. I love my C++, I love my python and yes, I also love my GDScript (Godot Game Engine). They all work with classes and objects and it all works perfectly for me.
But oh no! I wanted to learn Rust recently and I really liked how values are non-mutable by defualt and such, but it doesn't have classes!? What's going on? How do you even move a player? Do you just HAVE to have a global method for everything? like move_player(); rotate_player(); player_collect_coin(); But no! Even worse! How do you even know which player is meant? Do you just HAVE to pass the player (which is a struct probably) like this? move(player); rotate(player); collect_coin(player, coin); I do not want to live in a world where everything has to be global! I want my data to be organized and to be able to call my methods WHERE I need them, not where they just lie there, waiting to be used in the global scope.
So please, dear C, Rust and... other non OOP language users! Tell me, what makes you stay with these languages? And what is that coding style even called? Is that the "pure functional style" I heard about some time?
Also what text editor do you use (non judgemental)? Vim user here
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If you want your code to be performant you need to think about how you lay out your data for your CPU to manipulate it. This case might work well for one player but what if you have 100, 10 000?
When you call player->move (assuming polymorphism), you're doing three indirections: get the player data at the address of player, get the virtual function table of that player, get the address of the move function.
Each indirection is going to be a cache miss. A cache miss means your cpu is going to be waiting for the memory controller to provide the data. While the cpu can hide some of this latency with pipelining and speculative execution, there are two problems: the memory layout limits how much it can do and the memory fetch is still orders of magnitude slower than cpu instructions.
If you think that's bad, it gets worse. You now have the address of the function and can now move your player. Your cpu does a few floating point operations on 3d or 4d vectors using SIMD instructions. Great! But did you know that those SIMD registers can be 512 bits wide? For a 4d vector, that's 25% occupancy, meaning you could be running 4x as fast.
In games, especially for movement, you should be ditching object oriented design (arrays of structs) and use data oriented design (struct of arrays).
Don't do
struct Player { float x, float y, float rotation, vec3 color, Sprite* head}; Player players[NUM];Instead do
struct Players { Vec2 positions[NUM]; float rotations[NUM]; vec4 colors[NUM]; Sprites heads[NUM]; };You will have to write your code differently and rethink your abstractions but your CPU will thank you for it: Less indirections, operations will happen on data on the same cache lines, operations will be vectorizable by your compiler and even instruction cache will be optimized.
Edit 1: formatting
Edit 2: just saw you're doing 2d instead of 3d. This means your occupancy is 12.5%. That operation could be 8 times as fast! Even faster without indirection and by optimizing cache data locality.
Is it possible for a particularly smart compiler to redo this all as if it were data-oriented? Sorry if that's a silly question.
Not a silly question at all!
Compilers are already really smart and do a lot of heavy lifting but they're also restricted to what you write and they err on the side of safety. They will do things like inline object functions if you don't have virtual functions and are simple enough which reduces the number of indirections. They won't re-order your classes and re-write your code. In my experience compilers don't do a good job at magically vectoring code (using SIMD registers to their fullest extent), so maybe that can be improved by a super smart compiler.
I would say it's possible to have a linter let you know if you're making structs which are cache unfriendly.
There are also runtime tools like Intel's Vtune or perf on Linux. I would say that while those tools are very powerful the learning curve is very difficult. In my experience you need to know a lot about optimization to understand the results.
Today's generative AI can give you broad strokes about refactoring some code to DOD and I'm sure in a few years it could do something to whole projects.
Oftentimes safety comes at the cost of performance with compilers if you don't give it enough details such as restrict/noalias, packing, alignment, noexcept, assume/unreachable, memory barriers. Rust is able to be performant and safe because it is a very verbose and restrictive language when you write it. C++ gives you all the tools but they tend to be off by default. In my experience game devs like to stick to C++ despite the lack of safety guardrails because it's faster to write efficient code and "we're not making medical equipment" sentiments.
I think at that point you could just look into Entity Component System design. I'm particularly fond of Flecs. Here, entities are empty objects to which you can add any number of components. Typically components are void of logic. Instead you write systems that match entities that have the components they need, and then just operate on that data.
I thought about this a few times while programming but general advice pointed me towards OOP so I never actually got to implement anything in Data Oriented Programming the way you described.
Me either. This was enlightening.