Is there a Lemmy server/way that doesn't require allowing javascript of a million other servers?
Is there a Lemmy server/way that doesn't require allowing javascript of a million other servers?
So, I am one of those old school types who mains with Firefox and Noscript. And also a filthy casual that just goes on lemmy.world. But half the images are broken because I'm expected to allow scripts on like 30+ sites to see most of the posts. I'm literally expected to allow /all/ the scripts from a domain just so I can see a dang picture behind the thumbnail. That's the entirety of the scripting needed. That seems ridiculous. Is there, I don't know, a server/way that makes it so I don't have to blanket allow all these scripts? To put it in meme form (not sure I'm doing it right, never seen the show): "It's an image of a banana Michael, what should it take, one Raspberry Pi running Docker?"
[EDIT 6/1/25 - thanks to everyone who commented on this. Screenshots: https://lemmy.world/comment/17403335 ]
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Yes.
PieFed uses very minimal javascript (it 95% works with JS entirely disabled) and you can access all the same communities and posts.
Try it at https://piefed.social/ or any of these other instances - https://join.piefed.social/try
Just curious, what's the 5% that doesn't work with JS disabled?
Voting, lol. Kinda important.
Dropdown menus. They're not really needed but life sucks without them.
Can't manually switch between dark and light mode (only automatically based on browser settings).
There's probably more but I haven't seriously tried to use PieFed for long without JS. Fundamentally it's built HTML and CSS first, with sprinkles of JS added on for funsies rather than the modern way of being all about JS.
Voting
You could support this by making vote buttons submit a form if JS isn't enabled. (That's what mlmym does.)
Can't manually switch between dark and light mode
Hmm... There are some pretty nifty things you can do with a hidden checkbox, label, and some clever CSS (e.g.
html:has(#element:checked)+ CSS variables -- though FYI:hasis baseline 2023.)Making it persistent would require some more effort -- e.g. form + cookies + server side style sheet selection, most likely. mlmym lets users change their theme w/o JS by submiting a form on the setting page. I'd have to think a bit if there's a good way to make it persistent across multiple requests for logged out users with a CDN caching things in between though...
only automatically based on browser settings
Doesn't actually work for me in a FF138-based browser w/ JS blocked via NoScript -- I always get light mode despite having a dark mode preference set. (Where do you have your
prefers-color-schememedia query?)Also, FYI I had to manually override font restriction -- otherwise all your buttons end up as tofu characters. (I think NoScript is being kind of unreasonably strict there by blocking first party fonts.) That's a papercut kind of issue, but figured I'd point it out in case it might save you some debugging time if you get confused NoScript users in the future.
Yeah I think it'd be worth getting the voting buttons working, those are pretty key functionality.
The icons being stored in a font is kinda problematic (some browsers choke, large font file) but on the other hand it's so great being able to set the color of them in CSS, which I found difficult when they are a SVG.
Looks nice is my immediate impression (looking at it with all javascript off, including ). Still would like thumbnails that are the entire image just much smaller, maybe via CSS. The cropping is very misleading on a lot of images. Perhaps one could use css-toggle-switch--not going to try to solution it, and I know last time I checked css wasn't great for it. But the results are notably different from lemmy.world for Active or Top past 12 hours. Not necessarily /bad/, particularly for top posts as they at least have a bit of engagement. But it seems like part of the solution is just don't incorporate results from servers that require javascript. Is it possible (ethical even) to incorporate them, but be a middle-man that saves the user from their javascript?
In https://piefed.social/user/settings there are two different compact modes to choose from, which shrink the images to varying degrees.
I don't know of any way to determine how JS-heavy a link is.
I'll try to play with it next time I'm on desktop. Thanks!
Piefed is kinda awesome. Switched earlier in the year :)