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  • the fundamental military issue of anarchism

    Do tell... WHAT "fundamental military issue of anarchism" have you managed to "identify," eh?

    Did you read the next sentence? No one is going to vote to go on the offensive except zealots. Yeah you had durrutti leading an offensive at the beginning of the war but that was full of literal die hards committed to the cause. Once they are all dead you need to conscript, you need to give top down orders, you need to requisition supplies from civilians, which are all anathema to anarchist ideology. Everyone but hardcore partisans aren't going to volunteer and even if they do they aren't going to vote to risk there lives further by going on the offensive. You see this in every case of a democratic military, once the initial wave of zeal wears off they start to hunker down and go on defense. You see it in the Paris commune, black Ukraine and Barcelona.

    What are these 2 constant factors if not for the inability to take initiative? And why are these factors not present in other revolutionary movements that were able to succeed like the bolsheviks in 1917? They too had no foreign aid, and the near entirety of the domestic political establishment against them.

    Do you think any criticism of anarchism makes someone a tanky? That just seems like the same follow the party line logic that we criticize actual tankies for. I could go on and on extolling the virtues and beauty of the system in Barcelona and condemning the multiple atrocities and failures of the communists but as soon as I suggest democratic militaries don't work I become a tankie?

    • Did you read the next sentence?

      Yes I did. Garbage in, garbage out - just like everything else you've spawned here so far.

      No one is going to vote to go on the offensive except zealots.

      It's difficult for you to understand anyone risking their lives without a commissar standing behind them with a gun pointed at their head.

      That tracks perfectly.

      I guess tankies truly don't understand anything other than brutally press-ganging the working-class into building your backwards and bloodthirsty "worker's utopia" for you, eh?

      full of literal die hards committed to the cause.

      Right, right... when your bullshit take gets demolished by actual history you explain it away as "die-hard-ism."

      Do you tankies ever fucking listen to the bullcrap emanating out of your own holes?

      Everyone but hardcore partisans aren’t going to volunteer and even if they do they aren’t going to vote to risk there lives further by going on the offensive.

      Oh, look... here comes the military expertise you gained by playing "Civilization" games again. Remember what I told you about getting your education from video games?

      You see this in every case of a democratic military,

      Oh really? I guess the Makhnovists decisively defeating a logistically and numerically superior PROFESSIONAL military force at the Battle of Perehonivka and pursuing this brouted enemy all the way back to the Crimea while the press-ganged and (supposedly) "disciplined" Bolshevik goons squads could manage little more than terrorising unarmed Ukrainian peasants is an example of anarchist militaries "hunkering on the defensive."

      Blow it out of your ass.

      in other revolutionary movements that were able to succeed like the bolsheviks in 1917?

      Such as? The Spartacist Uprising, perhaps? Much succesful, that one. The Cuban Revolution, perhaps? You know, the very same Cuban Revolution that had the benefit of being logistically supported by the newly-minted CIA while the Batista regime was placed under an arms embargo? The anarchists of Ukraine and Spain would have LOVED that level of "non-aid."

      What examples of "unsupported" movements do you have?

      Do you think any criticism of anarchism makes someone a tanky?

      Again... why would an (alleged) “non-tankie” be peddling cartoonish tankie propaganda?

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