Reddit makes it impossible to delete PII, refuses to do it itself violating GDPR
Reddit makes it impossible to delete PII, refuses to do it itself violating GDPR
cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/251752
It is important to note that although this may be a result of Reddit's UI not displaying the content users posted to now-private subreddits, it remains a problem. Additionally, I agree with the author's comments in the video description, as it appears strategically unrealistic for Reddit to ask that users manually delete the content themselves.
This is particularly true when considering that many automated methods to accomplish this task will be hindered by Reddit's upcoming API pricing changes. Furthermore, Reddit has demonstrated a recurring pattern of rolling back databases using historical backups, thereby disregarding user deletion requests that were submitted prior to the database rollback.
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as much as I'm sick of reddit, posts and comments are not PII
*Sights. Every time we discuss this. Every fucking time. * Under the GDPR are they are. See §4 part 1.
Ok? I haven't discussed this before.
Now you did.
What about me? I want to discuss!
Not in general, maybe, but if someone posts their first name in one place, post about their neighborhood in another place, and mention their job in a third place that's enough to uniquely identify them. Or who's to say there isn't a comment with someone's full name and address?
Unless they manually scan all comments for PII, there might be PII in any comment. Even something innocuous like a picture of a sign can doxx someone, so it's not obvious, either.
It can be, depending on whether PII was involved. Just being publicly published doesn't make it not be PII. It can be or not be. GDPR counts PII widely, since it also includes stuff that can be combined with other information to make for identifying the person.
Frankly this is one of those cases, where we need a court ruling to set precedent on what is counted in and what is counted out.
I find it hard to believe a court would decide that a post someone intentionally made to a public forum could be considered private information after the fact. But I suppose I'm not vary familiar with the wording of GDPR. It feels a bit like someone giving away business cards with a phone number, and being upset that people don't return them when you ask months later. Obviously it is scummy for reddit to not delete content when requested, but that doesn't seem to be the sort of thing the law is targeted towards
intentionally made to a public forum could be considered private information after the fact
Well that's the thing. The criterion is Personally identifying information. Not private information.
Remember GDPR includes right to be forgotten. Person is allowed to change their mind. At one point they might have wanted and agreed for that information being readily publicly available. Then they have right to change their mind "Nope, don't want the information out still".
As I said. Just because it has been publicly published, doesn't remove the protection categorization GDPR offers.
It is just then PII you at the moment want to be publicly available. Ofcourse deleting anything completely of the net later is not possible, but the point is when informed of deletion order, that organization is not supposed to be part of the "this persons information is published, when they don't want it" problem anymore. Company can't control all of Internet, but they can control their own conduct and within that limit they must comply to privacy order. Even if it doesn't perfectly swipe the information from all of internet.
It is utterly different mentality and regime from "private/secret" or "public/its gone now" system. In this other system privacy is on going process and scale. It can move two ways instead of just unidirectionally. Person has right to ask and demand for what has been public to be made more private. As they also can choose to make private more public.
EU and its citizens have right to choose what principles they base their privacy laws on and they chose this different kind of regime. Other regions and countries are free to choose otherwise in their own jurisdiction (though EU does this super claim of "EU data subject involved, we claim jurisdiction")
Thank you for the more thorough explanation, I'm from the US and not used to these kind of sweeping consumer protection laws lol. Does that mean Lemmy is also in violation? Does deleting a post on my home instance notify federated instances to delete it as well?