Why do most reddit alternatives end up becoming shit shows?
For context: I was a much more ignorant person back in 2014 than I am today. My views then do not reflect my views now (tw: Fatphobia, Sexism, Sinophobia, transphobia, Z-propaganda)
This isn't my first rodeo dealing with a reddit migration. My first attempt to leave the site happened back in 2014 when several subs got banned, including several shaming subs when Ellen Pao was CEO of reddit.
Back then, there were a lot of unfounded rumors of the site being taken over by the Chinese government (cause Ellen was Chinese American), and being an ignorant person, I fell for it hook line and sinker.
So around that time, a few reddit alternatives started getting passed around, including a site called Voat. It was basically just like reddit, but the bandwidth and UI wasn't nearly as sophisticated as reddits, thus the site constantly crashed. I spent a bit of time on there before heading back to reddit and never looking back. And the main reason I left was because the overall culture there was mean spirited, unhinged, and basically a reactionary version of reddit (which looking back makes sense considering this reddit migration was basically a reaction from trying to protect people)
Fast forward to now, and I'm starting to get de ja vu from the fediverse. At first I was on kbin, which seemed promising at first until I noticed that any article involving trans issues had a slew of transphobic comments that had a lot of traction. Realizing there was very little moderation being done there, I gave lemmyworld a try, but same issue, plus it seemed any article having to do with Ukraine had a lot of pro-Russian posts. And whenever I bring up this fact, I get a lot of pushback from users and mods. Part of the reason I ended up here is because one user told me "If you need a safe space, you should go over to beehaw with all the other snowflakes."
At this point, I already have a fairly negative view of the fediverse. I hate what is happening to reddit right now, and yet it feels like the alternatives aren't much better in providing a safe environment for its users.
Maybe my problem is with redditors, but at the very least reddit was equipped to keep the dumbest of dumbasses out of visibility. Here, even in supposedly more open minded communities and instances, such dumbassery has just as much weight as thoughtful, upvoted posts.
I don't know. I can't see myself staying involved with this project for long, if it's just going to remain as unpleasant as it is now.
Also, sorry if this isn't the right community to be posting this in. I'll gladly move this where this needs to go if its the case.
Edit: riveting discussion example: @Cat_of_the_Round fuck philosophy. unless you reeeeelly care that much. your behind a kb for christ sake. Oh no. Someone had an opinion. I’m assuming you can in the very least ignore them. Othewise who the fuck cares?
Could you point me to the anti trans comments on kbin? As a kbinaut I'd like to do my part and downvote & report them.
I've found that kbin is a pretty chill community, personally, but I must have missed that thread.
Anyway, yes, I think beehaw could be an excellent place for you. They actively try to keep assholes out, and they try to foster a community that's thoughtful and insightful. I think they're doing a pretty good job so far.
I think you're pretty vocal about disagreeing with some aspects of the modern trans(gender) movement, but imo that's very different from being "anti trans".
yup. people often see it that way though. I try not to hate anyone even if I can disagree quite strongly with stuff. I'm vocal about what I think and unapologetic about it, but I try to avoid creating strife/hate/conflict.
I'd say it's fine as long as you know where to draw the line and stop. Not everything can be rationalized or argumented away, sooner or later you're going to hit someone's emotional weak spot and make them uncomfortable since they won't be able to separate it like you do.
This doesn't apply to you specifically since I don't know you well enough, but in my experience people who say "I have no filter, I say it the way it is and I will never apologize for it" are not doing it because it's the right thing to do but rather because they can't help themselves and it's easier not to bother about how other people feel. I think we'd be all better off if we had a filter and weighted our words more carefully, especially on the internet where it's so easy to just lash out. That doesn't mean keeping your opinion to yourself and never speaking up of course.
Ah I see what you mean. I do have a "filter" but I meant more in terms of beliefs/views. I'm not gonna apologize for what I believe, but I'm not gonna throw stuff out that I know will hurt someone if it's unwarranted. I know when and how to bite my tongue if need be to keep peace.