Republican Senator tells House not to vote on bill she just voted for
Republican Senator tells House not to vote on bill she just voted for
Sen. Lisa Murkowski backs Trump's megabill but urges House to return it for fixes, citing Medicaid cuts and tax impacts on Alaska.
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Passing the buck. Coward. You're a US Senator. Act like it.
(though I guess these days cowardice is exemplary of Senate behavior).
Also, I'm totally sure Walz would've cast the tie-breaking vote for such a shit bill, isn't that right couch sitters / stein voters? Try not to fall for the right-wing wedge driving disinfo ops next time please... If there is a next time.
Edit: Tankies, gullible Stein voters, accelerationists, nilhists, couch-sitters, vatniks -- whatever you are -- complaining below. Try your best not to feign too much concern over the passage of this and subsequent damage the GOP is doing. You don't get a say here since obviously you believe Harris would've done the same, like (checks notes) booting millions off medicaid that will according to experts lead to 50,000 deaths annually. Some would argue such people who asserted a BoTh SiDeS fallacy are complicit in those deaths.
Now if you're willing to admit your mistake, then welcome back.
Try not to fall for the right-wing wedge driving disinfo ops next time please..
You say as you push more right-wing disinformation.
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition
The Democrats wanted Trump to get elected which is why they threw the election in favor of him by running on a platform of watered-down Republicanism. These are the same people that passed Trump's budget bill earlier this year, which retroactively made all of his illegal executive orders legal, and who just voted against impeaching Trump. They want these tax cuts for the wealthy and all the other abhorrent, vulture capitalistic shit just as much as Republicans do.
Take off your blinders already and stop supporting fascists.
Hahaha bystanders observe the absurdity of this claim. Talk about a non-sequitur.
I'm all for shitting on AIPAC Dems, but all this proves is that right-wing disinfo ops convinced people like you to amplify their bullshit and sway larger swaths of people. So good job parroting right-wing disinfo when you could've done hard work actually telling people what Harris was without question the better candidate on a multitude of issues.
Maybe less drinking right-wing kool-aid and more door-knocking.
You can't even respond to the multiple pieces of evidence listed demonstrating that Democrats collude with Republicans against the populace and instead have to resort to ad hominems. People like you are the reason why Trump is on his second term as president and why the Republicans control the entire government. You're working for the fascists and you can't even see it.
Because it's irrelevant. Even entertaining collusion, your argument that we cut out the middleman and hand the keys to the GOP is unquestionably worse in every logical way.
Last I checked, Dems gave more aid to Ukraine. Are you saying you're complicit on the Russian genocide against Ukraine?
You're the reason we have Trump. Absurd.
How the fuck is the DNC actively sabotaging themselves and acting as little more than controlled opposition in elections "irrelevant" to the fact that Republicans now run the entire government? This is complete nonsense.
There's no "handing the keys to the GOP" when they already have the keys precisely because of Democratic aid that they continue to give to this very day.
Last I checked, Dems gave more aid to Ukraine. Are you saying you're complicit on the Russian genocide against Ukraine?
More nonsense. You're clearly unable defend your position and you refuse to even acknowledge the mountain of evidence against it, so now you just resort to acting like a short-circuiting chat bot trained on Nancy Pelosi's talking points.
So you're condoning genocide and dodging the fact that Democrats were objectively better for the people of Ukraine?
Classic deflection.
If anyone is looking for their grandpa who escaped from the local memory care facility, I think I found him.
Compounding deflections now, I see. Was a pretty simple question, really.
If we're going with blind attacks then I think Ivanov has hit the vodka a little too heavy today, maybe?
Compounding deflections from what exactly? You haven't been able to make a single coherent argument or stay on topic once this entire thread. The cherry on top is that you then project onto me the exact behavior that you're engaging in, such as making non sequiturs and deflecting. It's honestly sad but mildly amusing to watch.
You claimed non-voters are to blame for Trump being in office, I prove this claim wrong directly, and blame Democrats for throwing the election with supporting evidence showing Democrats continual support of Trump's policies even now. Instead of responding to or acknowledging any of this or your own previous argument, you derail to talking about Ukraine and that must I support genocide... somehow? You're clearly either off your rocker or intentionally spreading disinformation at this point, which I wouldn't find surprising considering all the other sad attempts at protection you've displayed here.
disinfo ops
Just saying, this destroys any point you might have had. Genocide isn't Russian disinformation.
I said right-wing, not Russia. Try again, maybe?
But now that you mention it, the MUh boTH sides false equivalence fallacy is textbook Russian IRA troll farm tactics though. No surprise Republicans are in bed with Russians I suppose.
BTW, that you fixated on this destroys any credibility you may have had.
I said right-wing, not Russia.
Oh you're right, my bad.
But now that you mention it, the MUh boTH sides false equivalence fallacy is textbook Russian IRA troll farm tactics though.
Because the Democrats weren't supporting Israel's genocide just as vigorously as the Republicans? Remember the North Gaza offensive? The war with Lebanon? Bombing the shit out of Syria? Bombing Yemen? Sometimes equivalence can be true, too.
Let's pretend they're the same on genocide (they're not, because Harris wouldn't have advocated turning it into a riviera, cut USAID that helped Gazans, or escalated in bombing Iran, leaving aside the fact that Bibi explicitly wanted), but:
In a binary choice election with the inevitable choices being Harris or Trump, one opted to assert both sides / false equivalence Harris being obviously better on:
- Climate Change
- Healthcare
- LGBTQ+ rights
- Women's bodily autonomy
- Ukraine (and Russia's ongoing genocide in Ukraine; so are bystanders complicit in genocide there?)
- Economic Inequality
- Immigration
Instead one enabled victory for the person who was not only worse in 1 genocide but arguably 3 genocides when counting Ukraine and Climate Change.
It logically makes zero sense.
Harris wouldn't have advocated turning it into a riviera
I'm sure the dead would take great solace that their killer didn't also have real estate ambitions.
leaving aside the fact that Bibi explicitly wanted
Biden was not known for standing up to Israel, to put it mildly. When Harris was asked what she'd do differently than Biden, her answer was "there is not a thing that comes to mind." She later amended that to "what’s the difference between Joe Biden and me? .... I'm going to have a Republican in my cabinet".
LGBTQ+ rights
The "T" there being the people the Dems immediately tried to throw under the bus when they lost?
Economic Inequality
I mean, look at all the love and support the party is showing Mamdani after he kicked Cuomo's ass in the primary 🙄
Look, I get your point, and I voted for Harris (grudgingly), but until we primary enough of these crusty old Republican-lites in party leadership these losses are just going to get worse. They yelled and screamed (rightly) about how Democracy was on the line, and when their option was "save Democracy or move right" they chose the latter.
Respectfully, I don't see the sense in complaining about "wedge issues" and then turning around and driving wedges between you and other people trying to get the party's head out of its ass.
I love how you dodged more than half of the issues, knowing you didn't have jack shit. Respectfully, of course.
Sounds like one is complicit in genocide with respect to both climate change and Ukraine.
(by the way: you love mamdani; if they're all the same, why did he run as a Democrat? You should hate him too, right? So I guess they're not all the same and Democrats are, objectively better, is that right?)
I love how you dodged more than half of the issues, knowing you didn't have jack shit.
Hence your substantive engagement on what I did mention?
you love mamdani
Never claimed this.
If they're all the same
Never claimed this.
You should hate him too, right?
None of this is about hate, it's about which policy decisions are better than others.
So I guess they're not all the same and Democrats are, objectively better, is that right?
Again, never claimed.
Everything you're saying comes across as being less about "how do we improve things" and more "I need someone to be angry at." I would propose directing that anger at the politicians instead of your fellow voters.
Hence your substantive engagement on what I did mention?
I dish back that which has been dished out.
Never claimed this.
Implied.
Never claimed this.
So you are saying Democrats and Harris would've been better?
None of this is about hate, it’s about which policy decisions are better than others.
And Harris had overall better policy decisions, correct?
Again, never claimed.
So you agree Harris had overall better policy decisions, correct?
Everything you’re saying comes across as being less about “how do we improve things” and more “I need someone to be angry at.” I would propose directing that anger at the politicians instead of your fellow voters.
The two notions aren't mutually-exclusive. You see, in order to improve things, fools asserting defeatist false equivalence fallacy rhetoric need to learn from their disastrous mistakes. Because you're the one responsible, that is making you a bit uncomfortable, I suspect.
I would propose making fewer logical fallacies next election cycle.
(they're not, because Harris wouldn't have advocated turning it into a riviera, cut USAID that helped Gazans, or escalated in bombing Iran, leaving aside the fact that Bibi explicitly wanted),
Slightly less fascist rhetoric doesn't matter if it's not accompanied by actions, I haven't heard of significant USAID involvement in Gaza during the war, Democrats haven't opposed the bombings much* and fascists aren't the smartest bunch, respectively.
*This is a valid point, but I disagree. I know about the war powers resolution, but no establishment Democrat leaders have actually indicated they'd use that to stop the bombings. Schumer simply wanted the bombings to be done with congressional approval. The bombings are much better understood in terms of Israeli domestic politics given that Netanyahu's government was facing dissolution. If anything Trump did get Netanyahu to stop; I'm not sure we could expect the same from AIPAC Democrats.
In a binary choice election with the inevitable choices being Harris or Trump, one opted to assert both sides / false equivalence Harris being obviously better on:
Okay but the very real problems that depressed Democratic turnout weren't disinformation; the Democrat pitch was legitimately terrible. Whether that justified not voting aside, scathing criticism of the Democrats was justified and not disinformation.
Like I said, you willingly threw Ukrainians under the bus in this self-defeating mindset, leaving aside the other issues mentioned..
So just tell me you don't care about:
- Climate Change (and resulting deaths)
- Healthcare
- LGBTQ+ rights (and resulting discrimination)
- Women's bodily autonomy
- Ukraine (and Russia's ongoing genocide in Ukraine; so are bystanders complicit in genocide there?)
- Economic Inequality
- Immigration (and resulting deportations, alligator auschwitz, etc.)
And I'll actually understand a little better!
Also you weren't aware USAID helped Palestinians? Inform yourself! https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-106243#%3A~%3Atext=Fast+Facts%2Cfiscal+years+2020+through+2022.
I''m not American so I couldn't vote either way, but calling out assholes like Pelosi and Schumer for being oligarchy and AIPAC stooges is not and was not disinformation. Voting for Harris is its own conversation and has nothing to do with that. Also your link's information ends in 2022.
Criticism of Dems, specifically false equivalence botherism, was objectively disinfo. We know Israel and Russia have troll farms that supported Republicans, and many people including yourself lapped up that rhetoric. Doesn't matter if you're a US citizen or not. You helped amplify the propaganda. So thanks for that.
Billions in aid to Gaza and West Bank even through 2022 prove the point regardless, but sure: https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-usaid-gaza-ceasefire-0a56d5d591c249eb5e44ba29c9adaa3e
You still didn't answer: do you not care about all those issues?