What do you think the solution to selling progressive politics to young men is ?
What do you think the solution to selling progressive politics to young men is ?
I think progressives never thought about this because we banked on immigration and demographic change allowing us to win culturally and electorally but the issue is immigrants tend to be overwhelmingly male, that is how Trump won actually he won over a lot of Hispanic,Black,Asian and indigenous men who feel humiliated by a new culture, economy and world.
So what can we do rhetorically and policy wise to win more young men over ?
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Christ - some of these replies are exactly what a lot of women talk about when we say that Lemmy has a misogyny problem.
Blokes really don't recognize how much harder shit actually is for women, overall. It would be lovely to just sit on a bench for 5 mins without a stranger coming to chat me up, or if people would stop crediting men for my work when they don't even ask for it.
Your inability to control your valid trauma response is a hindrance for serious politics. Less histrionics, more calm thoughtfulness, please.
If you can't handle being told this, you don't want equality, you want handouts.
Shit is much harder for women in a grand variety of axes, but this is politics. Shit is hard for men, too, and if you're not prepared to enter into these conversations to listen to men, if you come here to center women in a topic about men? You're part of the problem with progressive politics.
Are you actually trying to say you are not a misogynist while simultaneously calling a woman hysterical? Did you know that the Greek word for womb is "hystera"?
I used the word "histrionic" -- "histrio" is Latin for actor.
Elsewhere I said:
She’s performing histrionic masculinity; men who can’t control their emotions become a problem for the movement.
Quit being such a weak man, allowing your emotions to govern your reaction.
I'm a misandrist: men fucking suck, and your masculine display of emotional incontinence is what makes men such a problem for women.
As to misogyny? I don't think women are all that great, either, but I'd rather work with women than men, for the most part.
Provided they can woman up.
Some things of the comments literally boil down to "just let the patriarchy continue and let the men keep pushing women out of certain fields"
I don't see how that is actually progressive. It has similar vibes to when after the election a whole bunch of people started saying to just throw trans people under the bus and basically run a republican for the next one.
"How do we get young men into progressive politics?"
I know! I know! Make every conversation including this one about women!
What are you even talking about
when we say that Lemmy has a misogyny problem.
Yeah, it's really disheartening that young men have decided to blame women for all their woes. I'm in my late thirties and it really seems like a reversal to me, instead of blaming late stage capitalism for disenfranchising their demographic they are somehow are blaming women.
Even if we hypothetically accept that "there is an attack on masculinity" who's doing it? The vast majority of politicians are men, the vast majority of CEO are men, the vast majority of judges, lawyers, prosecutors...... The list goes on and on. In nearly any hierarchical system of power in the world, men are in charge. So from whom is our masculinity really being attacked?
Gonna catch the down votes for this, but imo because our economic system has already exploited all other demographics, young white men are being systemically disenfranchised for the first time and are not dealing with it very well. Welcome to the club fellas, POC and especially women have been here the whole time!
I apologize in advance if I missed some very bad0 comments by not going into the deeply down voted comments.
But at least some of the concerns are about the young men being declared the "villains" and the other side declaring them to be the victims of injustice and they will gravitate toward the more workable message.
Like bystanders seeing the people making life hard for women and being jerks, but not themselves participating and the commentary is less "that guy is a dick" and more "why are all men so terrible?"
Sure a lot of guys are terrible, but the generalizations can make it feel like you can't win.
at least some of the concerns are about the young men being declared the "villains" and the other side declaring them to be the victims of injustice and they will gravitate toward the more workable messag
That's because people are framing this as a false dichotomy. All the masculinity warriors all try to frame the world as men are warriors under attack, and if you don't think so you're a man hating feminist.
In reality the majority of young dudes are just spending too much time being manipulated online and are blaming hardships created by our form of economics on wokeness.
Sure a lot of guys are terrible, but the generalizations can make it feel like you can't win.
Only if you are weak of mind. I'm a dude, when someone says all men are bad....which never really happens. I don't really take them literally, and even if I someday do run into someone who means it literally. Who cares, people are allowed to have opinions.
generalizations can make it feel like you can't win.
Says the person who based their rebuttal by believing in a fabricated false dichotomy.
Frankly the online stuff doesn't get to me, but I could see how the generalizations could leave a person succeptible to a narrative. Online interactions tend to have some people taking the easy way and espousing simplified generalizations and on the receiving end are a lot of people that may take the online stuff too serious.
The false dichotomy works because those are the two loudest viewpoints online, that men are villains without a clear path to being accepted or to embrace horribly harmful toxic masculinity to get some screwed up sense of belonging and success. Young men online are at risk of being ill equipped to navigate the nuance That tends to be quieter over the noise of the two more passionate perspectives.