Are the USA heading towards civil war?
Are the USA heading towards civil war?
As the situation in regard to report immigrants escalated, and the army may be used against Americans, do you believe there's a way back, or is this a one way street to civil war?
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I think that for a civil war, you need an armed force on the protesters' side, which they don't seem to have. All radicals who are willing to spill blood are on Trump's side. I'm not an expert, of course, but if you needed one, you wouldn't have asked here.
Every state has a national guard. I'm actually really surprised the California guard followed Trump's illegal nationalisation when Newsom clearly stated he didn't authorise it, as is his right.
National guard and California state guard are not the same guard
Welp, today i learned, but I was obviously talking about the california national guard
I would imagine the California State Guard much like anyone else in the military would likely tend to err more on Trump's side anyway though.
I mean, some of them knew it was coming and lost their phones, but I don't find it too surprising. Are you really going to risk serious consequences because you got activated when you shouldn't have been?
Report for duty and let your chain of command fight it out. It's not up to the guard members to work out the legality of their deployment
Now, if they start telling you to perform violence on civilians, that's when you can take a stand and refuse orders. And so far, that hasn't happened
I think they're doing well. I haven't seen them raise a finger to the protesters, they just stand there in a line calmly. The protesters are great with them too, they just keep yelling "you should be over here with us". And with any luck, the courts will give them back to the governor so they can go home before they have to make a hard choice
Yes and CA is one of the most liberal states, if their national guard rolls over for illegal orders then we have no chance with red or purple states.
Newsome has the authority to have state police and the CBI to arrest guard members who don't follow the order to stand down.
He won't, and I don't know if I believe the state police would side with a Democrat, but the possibility is there.
Of course, there are MANY things that politicians have had the authority to do to stop things since January, yet they haven't.
I'm wondering what would or will happen when the Newson, Sanders, AOC, etc start to make messages intended directly for members of the armed forces, saying "this gov is no longer legitimate as it has broken it's oath to the Constitution. You shall not obey unconstitutional orders"... Particularly if and when some generals follow suit...
Dangerous, but not more so than this fascist government...
I got a Citizen alert that two Democratic lawmakers were shot by a guy posing as ICE this morning so that's fun
Do you live near where that happened, or in another state? I had to uninstall Citizen because it felt like it was just pushing fear stories directly to my brain, and kept wanting me to pay them for more of that, and a private 911 service? No thanks
I'm not even in the same country anymore lmfao
But iirc you have to pay for Citizen if you want to change your location. Tbh I've been close to uninstalling it because the app has gone to shit. I also don't feel like reading a torrent of slurs in the comments.
All radicals who are willing to spill blood are on Trump’s side.
I'm not so sure on this one.
I'd like to think I'm willing to use the tools at my fingertips to sling hot lead in defense of minorities and prevent a total takeover, however, I recognize that doing so myself is a death sentence.
Taking a stand just makes you a target in a very wide open field. You need more people to take a stand with you to be effective. How many people feel the same as I do? Willing to stand as a group, but not solo?
Organization is important. Organize or be sent to a
concentration camp"prison". Organize or be arrested for protesting the regime. Organize or die.Organized resistance is much harder to take down. With enough people, you wouldn't even need to fight. But you should absolutely be prepared to.
The guns exist out there and the protesters exist out there. You'd just need some mobilizing incident to spark them not to leave the guns they already own at home next time.
It seems an easier solved problem than you let on.