Robbers pretending to be ICE agents
Robbers pretending to be ICE agents
You're viewing a single thread.
In authoritarian regimes it isn't uncommon for the state officers and soldiers to engage in casual theft along side their official duties. With the way our country is going, there is a non-zero chance this was an actual ICE officer just working his "side hustle".
American cops have been robbers for a long, long time under the guise of civil forfeiture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States
That is "legal" theft, which can be fought in court, and isn't what I'm referring to. A law enforcement officer committing theft not associated with their duties is what I'm talking about like this example reported just yesterday.
"Legal theft". Careful not to choke on your words. It is a well known and well documented abuse of the legal system. A great many police departments, corrupt even more than usual, use it to fund departmental expenses, staff perks and bonuses.
Fighting street level injustice through inaccessible and notoriously corrupt courts is also a sad joke.
“Legal theft”. Careful not to choke on your words. It is a well known and well documented abuse of the legal system.
Abuse? Its codified in law. Its working as intended. I don't agree with it, but its not extra-judicial. You'll see I specifically put it quotes to communicate that, while it meets the letter of the law, it is far from actual justice.
Just because it is codified into law doesn't make it not abusive in nature. That just means the law is attempting to justify abuse.
Almost as if something being a "law" is nothing more than those in power attempting to legitimize their oppression of the people under their authority.
Just because it is codified into law doesn’t make it not abusive in nature. That just means the law is attempting to justify abuse.
Are we really just having semantic arguments now?
"Abuse of the law" I interpret as equal to "breaking the law". Civil Forfeiture doesn't break the law it is written from. Is it unjust? Absolutely! Do I agree it should be abolished? Absolutely!
Almost as if something being a “law” is nothing more than those in power attempting to legitimize their oppression of the people under their authority.
Again, I've clearly separated the concepts of "lawful" from "justice". They ARE NOT always equal. This is a case where they aren't.
Are we done having arguments over grammar and semantics? You can keep going if you like, but I'm more interested in focusing on our world burning than arguing over something we both already agree should be abolished.
Sorry the point went over your head it seems.
Then be more clear.
No you are just grasping at straws here
It adheres to the letter of the law only when you ignore the 4th and 5th ammendments. But why bother? The constitution ain't worth shit anyways.
Those stolen assets don't end up as personal property of the officer though.
They do. Way way too often.
You are very lucky if they stop with casual theft.
Lavrentiy Beria, the head of the secret police in Stalin's USSR was a serial rapist and murderer. He had at least hundreds women and children kidnapped off the street, both people who weren't missed but also celebrities, and raped them and then murdered them if they wouldn't pretend it was consensual. A pile of bones covered with lime was uncovered near his one-time residence 15 years ago, but contemporary testimonies say that his torture chamber of a basement had underground passages to other burial sites.
Once some people are above the law, nothing is off the table.
Yep.
Obviously this is a pretty extreme example but without the rule of law, government officials will engage in corruption, hold overs, and blackmail.
With ICE just seizing and deporting whoever they like, it provides white Americans with incredible power over others because they can just threaten to call ICE.
ICE was always lawless from what we know about them in reports, there were articles about rape cases even back under Biden.
Also Stalin told his daughter to never be alone with Beria because even he couldn't ensure her safety. Honestly I'm convinced that Beria was on Stalin's shit list and the only reason he wasn't purged was because WW2 kicked off.
Stalin was the one thing keeping Beria alive though even after the war, after Stalin died, the first order of business for the Politburo was to kill him.
I'm not saying Stalin liked him, I'm saying he was useful enough that Stalin never got around to purging him.
It’s naïve to think that this behavior hasn’t been common already for decades, likely centuries
It's technically not a crime if you label it civil forfeiture.
Oh but that's totally only if you can't prove you weren't going to use it for crime!
How do you prove you weren't using it for crime? Good question!
And even if a judge believes you, OH well, too bad the cops already spent it! No, you can't get money from their budget, that would be theft or fraud or some other crime we can figure out after arresting you.
As a non-American this is really one of the weirdest things about ICE. Why don’t they do their raids in uniform/with badge and face uncovered (perhaps apart from tactical headgear) like any other law enforcement agency? Even when arresting terrorists/mobsters you would expect the cops to be identifiable.
Why don’t they do their raids in uniform/with badge and face uncovered (perhaps apart from tactical headgear) like any other law enforcement agency?
As far as I know the plain clothes arrests and covered faced raids are new artifacts of the GOP's trump administration. I think there may have been plain clothes investigators before for some undercover work, but never used in the way it is today.
There are two reasons, I think, they are doing it today.
-
Masks add anonymity and reduce accountability. These folks are deeply disliked and under the hoods and masks, yet they're people with homes and families. They need to conceal their identity so their actions don't follow them home.
-
The trump administration wants a law enforcement arm with broad authority to arrest and detain with federal powers. ICE and CBP (Customs and Border Protection) have broad sweeping powers in the most populated portions of our country.
-
It’s already been happening, it’s documented in this Afroman song Edit: 3:50 timestamp
I know it happens with other law enforcement. I even posted a link to a police officer fired for stealing just a few days ago. However, I was specifically talking about ICE, which isn't what Afroman was talking about, but this thread is.
Yeah i was just going to say, its not like theyre tracking these things, so isnt it more likely he just is an actual ICE officer?