A grim poll shows most Jewish Israelis support expelling Gazans. It's brutal - and true
A grim poll shows most Jewish Israelis support expelling Gazans. It's brutal - and true
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A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking
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The thing is: I can understand them.
If you are part of a minority that was trampled on for a long, long period of time, being targeted for anhiliation and now, having a somewhat safe nation for not even 80 years within a sea of other nations wanting to destroy them... well, i absolutely can understand them to ensure their safety whatever it takes. Yeah, it may not be pretty (or to be more precise: Often outright gross), it may not be "fair"... but i can understand that they don't want to take any chances.
You feddit.org people no longer even hide that you don't care about palestinians
I care as much about the Palestinians as i care about the Israelis... from my personal point of view i have as much emotional investment in them as with any other people that kill eachother in other parts of the world, so not very much.
This clown is literally posting "both sides"!!! Disgusting nonsense.
That's how the majority of feddit.org users are . You never find those type of guys in post about Palestinians getting murdered
No you don't. If you care about both you would advocate for ending the occupation instead of saying that you understand that some jews want genociding palestinians who has nothing to do with the nazis that almost genocided them .
It's like you if you where alive during Nate Turner revolt saying I care about both salves and slaves owners
If you are part of a minority that was trampled on for a long, long period of time,
It's anti-semitic to conflate judaism with zionism. Zionists were collaborating with the nazis and using the holocaust to steal land in palestine during ww2.
I really don't give a shit
Oh you so empathetic. I guess you can understand the Hamas attackers on October the 7th, too then? Right?
Oh i can understand them also very well... but this doesn't change anything. Neither side is "good" or "bad" over there, both sides have very good reasons to keep on fighting.
Imagine "both sides"ing a genocide. These people are braindead creeps. Not worth engaging.
No, I think the side using starvation tactics and bombing civilians is pretty bad. Sounds like war crimes to me in terms of definition we've all agreed upon.
How about the side using suicide bombers and defaulting to terrorism? Shooting unguided rockets into the general direction of a city also does not scream "good guys", am i right?
Who's actually using terrorism? Maybe the terrorists that have murdered tens of thousands of children? Expelled people from their homes? Stolen land and still stealing more in several countries?
I can't even imagine being this dumb. Phony account probably.
Well that fear is being exploited by those with more sinister motives.
Just because you can understand how we got here doesn’t mean that it’s ok, or even inevitable.
I think at this moment the total annihilation of one of the two sides is ineviteable, too much blood has been spilled too much atrocities were conducted on both sides.
You're so full of shit. Jews have lived in almost every middle eastern country for millennia. There were Jews living in Palestine before the Zionists came. The "sea of other nations wanting to destroy them" don't hate Israel because it's a Jewish country. They hate Israel because it's a fascist settler colonial state that historically has done ethnic cleansing and territorial expansion. You're just a Zionazi trying to weaponize antisemitism to justify a literal genocide.
how can you understand them? the israeli state isn't a ensuring safety for anyone, practically any western nation is safer, unless you are also purely invested in the idea of the state being the condition and site of safety for a nation and blatantly ignoring reality to the point that wishing for ethnic cleansing seems reasonable
which is also known as being a frothing at the mouth fascist
Somehow i have the feeling that i will regret further participating in this conversation, but i feel somewhat masochistic today:
Any western nation is safer because no western nation is surrounded by countries that would happily do to the israelis what the israelis currently are doing to the palestinians. Yes, its unfair and brutal, but as a nation of a people that was selected for annihilation just about 90 years ago i personaly can understand that they are willing to commit every atrocity needed to ensure that nobody will attack them.
Do i LIKE it? Hell no! Would i like a better solution where everyone over there lives in peace? Absolutely! But i can UNDERSTAND why they acting the way they do.
Yes, its unfair and brutal
it's not just unfair and brutal, it's also completely irrational, israel has sacrficed actual conditions of safety for israeli jews and israelis in general in favour of an image of safety that's completely worthless outside of being soothing to fascists
but as a nation of a people that was selected for annihilation just about 90 years ago i personaly can understand that they are willing to commit every atrocity needed to ensure that nobody will attack them.
roma people were in the exact same camps historically and they don't seem to be exhibiting the same genocidal attitudes, neither do non-israeli jews, hardship doesn't necessarily make one a fascist
you should ask yourself why the ideological depravity of israeli society makes sense to you, when it hasn't led to any good results for anyone
Do i LIKE it?Hell no! Would i like a better solution where everyone over there lives in peace? Absolutely! But i can UNDERSTAND why they acting the way they do.
i can understand how they are acting the way they do, as in, what lead to the motives historically, what the ideological undertones of them are; but the why completely eludes me
also, do you actually believe that a 'better solution' is possible? or are you just gesturing at futility and imploring people to accept tough realities or whatever
Any western nation is safer because no western nation is surrounded by countries that would happily do to the israelis what the israelis currently are doing to the palestinians.
why do you suppose that's the case now? sentiments towards jewish people in europe were worse than they are in any country neighboring israel
As a Jewish person, genuenly what the fuck are you talking about? The occupation of Palestine is a prime lesson of what not to do as an oppressed people. This is exactly why we need international solidarity, because the rights of one people must never trample over the rights of another.
I agree, but I will add that they are also indoctrinated from a young age to hate or fear the Palestinians. I don't really think the long history means as much other than an excuse to continue the indoctrination.
I mean if I grew up being told the neighbor was a dangeous crazy heathen that is hell bent on killing me. And that neighbor occasionally threw explosives over the fence. I would want them gone no matter if they had a good reason or what not.
Article is walled, so I couldn't read it. But I bet the questions were setup to differentiate expelling them from killing them. So I can understand a lot of people wanting the Palestinians gone. That doesn't mean the same number agree with what is being done to make it happen.
And that neighbor occasionally threw explosives over the fence.
What if they're throwing explosives because you occasionally murder your neighbors by the dozen?
They've been taught from a young age that any they kill isn't murder, but self defense. I am not saying any of this is right. Just that I can understand how they may feel. Just as I can understand how the other side feels and why they chuck bombs over the fence. In my mind, every death of a civilian to these kinds of activities is a failure of the leaderships involved.
I agree, but I will add that they are also indoctrinated from a young age to hate or fear the Palestinians. I don’t really think the long history means as much other than an excuse to continue the indoctrination.
The same could be said for the other side... which is the reason i think this conflict is absolutely hopeless...
Sadly I agree. It probably only ends when one side achieves complete victory. The Israeli hardliners probably see it that way too. And they have decided to end it now.