A grim poll shows most Jewish Israelis support expelling Gazans. It's brutal - and true
A grim poll shows most Jewish Israelis support expelling Gazans. It's brutal - and true
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A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking
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This poll is disgusting
Why do you inquiry people based on their religion, and not their social class or nationality ? Or their implication in the settlements ? They may have interesting numbers their, but this poll decided to racialize the conflict.
Why shall we trust a poll in fascist state at war, that conclude that the leader have the support of the nationality of that fascim ? That really seems like propaganda.
Why do you inquiry people based on their religion, and not their social class or nationality ?
Because Israel, in effect, has two different nationalities: Jewish Israeli and Palestinian Israeli. Polling without considering this simply results in less useful data.
so you say that nationalities are more accurate than religion. That's my point
They're citizenships, not nationalities.
Israel does this almost unique thing in the World which is split Citizenship from Nationality, with those who have the former only having the latter if they're Jews (constitutionally only a Jew can be an Israeli national). Further Israeli Citizenship is broken into Jewish Israeli and Non-Jewish Israeli, with the latter having less rights than the former (for example, Non-Jewish Israeli Citizens require "authorization" from local authorities to go live in certain parts of the country).
Israel was set up as an Apartheid state from the very beginning.
That said the other poster made a mistake: Palestinians are not Israelis - not even Non-Jewish Israeli Citizens - and have no rights at all in Israel. Further, there is no right to Israeli Citizenship by being born in Israel (unless you're a Jew: any Jew, anywhere in the World, has a right to Israeli Nationality, which also gives them Jewish Israeli Citizenship).
This has interesting effects such as people whose families have lived in Jerusalem for generations not having Israeli Citizenship because it was denied to them even though they were born there and lived there their whole lives. Of course, all of these people are not Jewish as all Jews constitutionally have a right to Israeli Nationality.
So By Law Israel has 3 different classes of people living there, in decreasing order of the rights they have:
- Jews, which by law are all Israeli Nationals (a Jew can literally arrive in Tel-Aviv, ask for Israeli Nationality and get it) and hence are also Jewish Israeli Citizens.
- Non-Jewish Israeli Citizens
- Non-Israeli Citizen, which includes all Palestinians even those born in the territory of Israel as Israel can and frequently does simply refuse to give them even just Non-Jewish Israeli Citizenship.
How do they gatekeep who can be Jewish?
The don't gatekeep Jewishness, they gatekeep Israeli Nationality on the basis of being Jewish or not.
I have no idea how they determine who is a Jew and who is not.
What I do know, which is pretty damn interesting, is that Etiopian Jews, who are Black, did got Israeli Nationality when they came to Israel and asked for it, same as all other Jews but from what I read the State Of Israel still treated them differently (for example, see here, though this being Britain and the BBC they're likely reporting a milder subset of reality).
Good old white colonialism...
If the Germans could determine whether someone was Jewish, I'm sure there must be several perfectly reasonable and objective ways of doing it.
Okay so what's your point?
Nationalities (or citizenships has pointed by @Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) are made by the ruling class, and have no reality in it-selves. I don't say we couldn't used those categories, but we have to stay critic.
If not, we will hide some solidarity or antagonism between class. Israel threat a lot of people, including Jews (Falashas, Sefarad, Yiddish, ...), and is supported by anti-semits (radical evangelists, far right party, nazi organization), ...
A poll based on legal categories in an apartheid state is accurate. However, using the name chosen by the nationalist propaganda (i.e "Jews" and not "Jewish Citizenship") is taking part in this propaganda, and have disastrous effect.
This is not the first pollster that finds these results. You are probably just unfamiliar with how fascist Israeli society is.
That's not the point. This a fascist state, which imply a massive support from the population, their is no debate.
So we have to stop being so naive. What say those numbers ? Who allow those numbers to exists ? What those numbers do not tell ? Why nobody ask themselves those questions ?
- Those numbers in showing racial struggle may hide social struggle or imperialist struggle
- in a fascist state at ware, this poll could have been invisibilized or forbid by the Israel. So, it may help it's propaganda
- I don't think any difference in the support of Israeli people to they fascist government that the support of people in western countries to their own government. In focusing in this imperialistic situation, may be a lot of people could avoid to fight it. Even if we are more efficient their, and it's may help Palestine
Finally, some racist people may attack jews around the world because of the confusion made between us and Israel. And again, that confusion is one of the objective of Israel propaganda
So you're saying this poll is a fascist plot? And zios actually are super kind to palestinians? gtfo.
All my statements are against the state of Israel (and any imperialist state), and against Zionism (and every state nationalism). I'm just afraid that people are confused between jews and zionist. And you short reading trend to prove my right
Why shall we trust a poll in fascist state at war,
What do you think the actual numbers are? How far off is this poll in your conspiracy theory?
I don't give a shit if those numbers are right or true. It's not changing anything