If you do, why do you believe in God?
If you do, why do you believe in God?
As simple as possible to summarize the best way you can, first, please. Feel free to expand after, or just say whatever you want lol. Honest question.
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Prove it exists, then we'll worry about if it's perfect.
I just did using the transcendental argument. God is the necessary precondition for universals such as logic and reason. They exist therefore God exists and these universal metaphysics are a reflection of his divine mind.
What is the epistemic justification for your world view? Make sure not to use universals or subjective experience because the former is in question and the latter is arbitrary.
You didn't prove it, you made another claim that you have to prove.
What is the standard of proof for the transcendental?
Emperical evidence.
It needs to be testable and reproducible.
There's no evidence that souls and spirits even exist.
Okay. What's the evidence that logic or math exists?
They're testable and reproducible.
Any number of mathematicians can work a problem, and if done correctly will reach the same result.
The same goes for logic.
You can't use the thing in question to prove that it exists.
So you can't use the bible to prove god exists, eh?
Math is just our understanding of how the universe works. Logic is just our description of how to correctly reason.
I'm not using the Bible. I'm using the Transcendental Argument.
Math is just our understanding of how the universe works. Logic is just our description of how to correctly reason.
Okay. If these things are just descriptors then they aren't universally true. If they exist and are universally true then you have no account for how that is the case. Either way you are using immaterial, metaphysical concepts to make the case that things that are immaterial and metaphysical don't exist.
Math and logic will work the same even if some alien civilization discovered them.
They are just how things work. We just happened to be intelligent enough to figure out how to use them to further our goals.
Why are you so hung up on repeating /restating the same arguement? You seem to be getting into an OODA loop.