No evidence of genocide in Gaza, UK lawyers say in arms export case
No evidence of genocide in Gaza, UK lawyers say in arms export case
Palestinian rights organisation Al-Haq has launched high court action over carve-out of F-35 fighter jet programme
No evidence has been seen that a genocide is occurring in Gaza or that women and children were targeted by the IDF, UK government lawyers have claimed, as a high court case opened into the handling of arms exports controls to Israel.
They also suggested there was no obligation placed on the UK to make other states comply with international humanitarian law but only to ensure that no breach occured within its jurisdiction.
The government is seeking to defend itself in a judicial review brought over allegations that it acted unlawfully in continuing to sell F-35 parts and components to a global pool, even though some of those components might be used by Israel in Gaza in a way that the government regards as a breach of international law.
Much of the case will turn on the extent to which international law places obligations in domestic law.
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Israel is a valuable strategic staging point for The West in the The Middle East. No Western Power will jeopardize access to it.
That's why Israel's behavior is tolerated, and Israel knows it.
And no, I'm not an Anti-Semite. Not all Jews are Israelis.
Yup Israel has always had a free pass cause they're basically the only ally of west in broken and dangerous middle east.
Thats why Saudi Arabia is so fascinating - if they drag middle east out of swamp of incompetence they could make Israel redundant and take away its free pass.
It's not unusual to see bootlickers on Lemmy, but sandal-lickers are relatively rare. How do you enjoy the taste of shib-shib?
if they drag middle east out of swamp of incompetence they could make Israel redundant and take away its free pass.
Is that supposed to be some kind of joke?
Saudi Arabia is the MOST incompetent of the whole bunch!
It just doesn't matter because they literally have more money than God.
They're so ultra-inbred incompetent that they literally founded, funded and armed a terrorist group that made their first and foremost goal the fall of Saudi Arabia under an Islamic caliphate.
They learned to stay out of wars decades ago, because they're too mentally damaged to fight them.
I mean, until they tried to genocide Yemen, and of course got their asses handed to them by unarmed goat-herders who are still infinitely less trash.
They learned to stay out of wars decades ago, because they’re too mentally damaged to fight them.
The Saudis fought in the first Gulf War (though not in the second one). There were Iraqi incursions in northeast KSA near the Kuwaiti border, and Scud missile attacks on Dhahran/Al-Khobar. I am acquainted with a US general who commanded a tank battalion in that war. He said one of their orders was to shoot the Saudi tanks if they tried to run and hide. He said they had to do that twice before the rest got the message.
I mean, until they tried to genocide Yemen, and of course got their asses handed to them by unarmed goat-herders who are still infinitely less trash.
With the exception of some of the Bedouins, Saudis are soft. Yemenis are mean, qat-chewing sons of bitches who've been through a long civil war and who all seem to own AK47s. MBS's genocide is accomplished entirely by aerial bombardment of largely civilian populations. Fighting house-to-house in Yemen would incur too many casualties, even if the Saudi armed forces were at the top of their game, which they most decidedly are not.
You seem wildly confused what competence we're talking about here. Saudi Arabia by far is the most competent Middle East country when it comes to building relationships with the west, no?
First of all no, that'd be the UAE, but more importantly you don't need competence to build relationships with the West; you need to be a fucking sellout. Which most of the region is, but still, it's not a matter of competence.
Yes geopolitics is about selling out to the evil capitalism scary spooky west! Don't trip over your tank tracks.
Yes geopolitics is about selling out to the evil capitalism scary spooky west!
When that geopolitics comes at the cost of ignoring an ongoing genocide on your doorstep (and a litany of other, less flashy manifestations of Western tyranny), yes that's true.
No.
Yup Israel has always had a free pass cause they're basically the only ally of west in broken and dangerous middle east.
I fucking wonder who made it so "broken and dangerous". That aside the Middle East being "broken and dangerous" is a relatively recent phenomenon; the Israeli-Western relationship came to be because the Arab world mostly fell on the side of the USSR during the cold war.
Ah yes it's the west that did it! Not the oppressive local religion and failed culture, not that at all! /s
The perpetual victims while also being the greatest and god chosen too.
Ah yes it’s the west that did it!
There is a long history of Western interference in the Middle East, and yes, it's the cause of at least some of the instability there.
Ah yes it's the west that did it! Not the oppressive local religion and failed culture, not that at all! /s
Yes, exactly, good thing you're aware of that. It was the West, specifically America but also some Brits and Poles, blowing up Iraq that set this whole mess in action.
Yep, Iraq was a oasis of peace and tranquility before dubya. Peace, and tranquility. And war. And terror. And some ethnic cleansing. But mostly the tranquility.
Saddam was a murderous psychopath. By most accounts, he killed a few thousand Iraqis during his time in power. Bush Jr killed 500,000 during the invasion and its aftermath.
I wasn't there, I just go by Wikipedia numbers which put it in the 6 figures.
Iraq was never a good place to live after the Iraq-Iran war, but it wasn't in a fucking civil war either. Nothing Saddam's government did comes even close to this.
We have a very different view of Saddam Hussein I assume.
I know he literally committed genocide against Iraqi Kurds that one time, but that still doesn't come close to the sheer amount of death and destruction the West caused by violently overthrowing him. Just read the link in my reply and compare the numbers.
I know the numbers. If you take the deaths from the Iraq Iran war, the gassing of kurds and the direct deaths during the general repression, they are comparable. From 300k to 1M on each side, depending on the source.
Let alone the Kuwait war and the excess deaths caused by the corruption and mismanagement leading to lower quality of life and lack of services.
Saddam was backed by the US. In fact, during the Iraq-Iran war, the US was supporting Iraq while Israel was supporting Iran. The goal of the west (and Israel) has been to play Middle Eastern countries against each other in a prime example of divide and conquer.
Sure it's everyone's fault but the guys who are beheading children lmao
You forgot the incubator babies. Try harder.
Who is that again?
They also funded the 9/11 terrorists. Fuck that apologetic bullshit.
Not sure what that has to do with anything I said but sure
Well, you were kissing their asses like they were the Saviors of The Middle East.
They're not.
That's not what I said, maybe take a nap or something? You seem groggy
Thats why Saudi Arabia is so fascinating - if they drag middle east out of swamp of incompetence they could make Israel redundant and take away its free pass.
Remember that part?
I'm not interested in conversing with you ever again. Goodbye.
Reading comprehension and mental healthcare of a true American lmao
Take care
You have very bad reading comprehension. The person you are quoting never praised Saudi Arabia and never said they were the saviors of anything.
They already have that free pass, they just choose to use it to murder journalists, gays, aposthates and opress women, immigrants, non-muslims and political adversaries.
I said absolutely nothing about free pass and Saudi Arabia - where are you getting that?
My point being is that Saudis connecting middle east to the west could make Israel redundant and too expensive to support. Is that clearer? There's 0 opinions in this comment just a geopolitical observation.
I said absolutely nothing about free pass and Saudi Arabia - where are you getting that?
Well, absolutely nothing...
Thats why Saudi Arabia is so fascinating - if they drag middle east out of swamp of incompetence they could make Israel redundant and take away its free pass.
Take away Israel's free pass not take over. Jesus dude you have reading comprehension of a 3rd grader and that's generous.
Take away does not mean "steal" or "take over". Just like when your mom takes away your dinosaur figurines before dinner she's not really playing out t-rex vs stegosaurus battles herself right?
If I take away your phone, who has your phone? Maybe you should write clearer and be a bit more respectful, not jumping to insults right away.
Maybe you should take your advice and work on your reading comprehension before jumping to conclusions and trying to gaslight people. Bye
lol what a coward you are. Can't defend or cede a point, so you run away.
My advice wasn't about reading comprehension, so taking my advice would just make my writing clearer. As far as I can tell I was quite respectful and haven't insulted you at any point.
And gaslighting has a very specific meaning, it's not a "get out a discussion" free card. I cited everything I was commenting about.
Bye.