Common Ground
Common Ground
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/26226188
cross-posted from: https://lemy.lol/post/39626252
We have to agree where we ARE before we stand a chance to agree about what we do from here.
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Right wingers fucking around: "Yeah let's deport all the ILLEGALS, lower our egg prices, and make the government fascist! MAGA!"
Right Wingers finding out: "Boohoo my benefits are cut, Canada boos at our National Anthem, and I have to sell my left kidney to buy groceries!"
Fuck these people. Conservatives were drawn in to Trump because of his hateful rhetoric and they only changed their minds when they were personally affected. They'll vote with a hard R the next election cycle anyway and don't deserve our sympathy. They were around and even voted for Trump's first administration and wanted more of his hate.
Your strategy will continue to isolate you
Isolation or joining hands with fucking SCUUUUUM.
Hmmmm. This is a hard one.
It's 2025. None of these people are poor sad lonely people taken advantage of by a slick conman selling a lie about a bright future. These people know what they've signed up for at this point. Ignorance isn't an excuse anymore.
I suppose you voted for Harris because Biden was so energetic and the best president since FDR
You're right, we should be like the Democrats who started cozying up to Liz Cheney for conservative Never Trumpers, that strategy worked really well for them. They're only going to drag us further right with them if we ignore their bad intentions for having voted Trump in the first place. They will still see minorities as something to hate, they'll still want to tear down the government to "hurt the right people", and they'll still hate you.
If you can’t see the difference between cozying up to republicans and saying fuck everyone who disagrees with you then you may be part of the problem…
I agree that befriending Liz Cheney and dick Cheney, one of the most unpopular politicians in us politics was a terrible move… so was trying to distance herself from progressives who basically support policy proposals that supermajorities of Americans on both the right and the left support…
What I think will isolate you in the end is saying fuck everyone who disagrees with you… you’re basically blaming the voters for being frustrated with their circumstances while dem leadership continues to disregard their own base while embracing corporate oligarchy…. You’re blaming the masses instead of the one who would rather have Trump in office than actually get anything done that would help regular Americans
fuck everyone who disagrees with you
Lol. It's not about refusing to work with people I disagree with. It's refusing to work with people who vote to HURT OTHERS, and they've had more than enough time to correct their ways if it was an honest mistake.
Spoiler Alert: It wasn't. They know what they're doing.
it is telling that there are a some Trump voters who honestly believe Trump is hurting the wrong people (as if we shouldn’t be working towards a common good)
Obviously, however there are also democrat voters who are saying the exact same thing.
Cheney isn't just a random conservative voter. She's a representative who cause the problems. The average voter does not hold the same beliefs. They're just poor people without much time who believe the media when it tells them Democrats are evil and trying to hurt them and people they love. We need them if we want to do actual good in this world.
We need them if we want to do actual good in this world.
We need people that vote to hurt others because they're stupid enough to believe a talking head on an entertainment channel?
I mean, at what point do we stop making excuses for them and accept that they are awful people. You know, awful people do exist.
I don't see anyone making excuses for them. This post says they were lied to and they can recognize that and decide to change. That's not an excuse. That's called taking responsibility, and it's a good thing.
The saying "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" is apropos to the situation. Voting for him the first time may have been excusable if they didn't vote for him a second time. They knew damn well the kind of evil he was and still they flocked to him. These idiots will vote for the next Republican to come along because they want tax breaks, or a lazy bigoted scapegoat, or any other selfish reason because they're unrepentant self serving assholes.
A lot of the things we want run completely counter to their values. Yes we can agree Trump is evil, but what about treating women as more than walking incubators? Or minorities as human? How about increasing taxes on the rich to pay for social services? Can we at the very least all agree that law-abiding undocumented immigrants don't deserve to be separated from their families and shipped to Guantanamo or be deported shackled in a military plane?
No, it isn't. It doesn't matter their reasons for doing it. Either they vote Republican again in the future or they don't. It's bad for us if they do. The only thing we get out of telling them they aren't allowed to change is a feeling of superiority. I don't know about you, but I'd rather create change than get revenge.
I don't care about why they change their votes. We just want them to change. They (the voters) support the working class and poor mostly. We can use that to get them to change. We can use their feeling of being lied to. We can use their hatred for the rich. It doesn't matter. Getting them to change their voting habit matters. Telling them they're bad doesn't.
I don't understand what people like you don't get. This isn't about sympathy. It's about winning. You shouldn't care that you aren't getting revenge. Revenge doesn't actually help you get anything done. You're only shooting yourself in the foot. If we can get only a handful of them to join our side, that's still good. We need to win or we can't actually get anything done. So, when this kind of thing comes up trying to appeal to former conservative of voters you don't need to help out, just keep your thoughts to yourself. You're only damaging the movement.