An independent voter explains why they chose a moronic, oligarcho-fascist demagogue over Joe Biden (c. November 2020) [Day 58]
An independent voter explains why they chose a moronic, oligarcho-fascist demagogue over Joe Biden (c. November 2020) [Day 58]
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I'm sorry, but if you didn't vote Dem in this election, you're an idiot of the highest caliber.
Vote Trump, you're an idiot for obvious reasons.
Vote anyone else in an election like this one, you're an idiot. The 3rd party candidate with the most votes only got half of a single percent of the total votes. In other words, no 3rd party candidate had even the whisper of a chance of winning.
If you're willing to gamble on a sure-to-lose scenario in an election as serious as the 2024 election, you're an idiot.
if you didn’t vote Dem in this election, you’re an idiot of the highest caliber
Support for the GOP correlates heavily with the presence of a fossil fuel industry in a given state or electoral district. It also tilts heavily by gender, with women and pocs tilting heavily Dem (black women vote
RepublicanDemocrat in the 90-95% range) while white men are around 2:1 Republican.The party politics flows accordingly, delivering the red meat their base voters crave while focusing the more material policies toward their respective donor bases.
What's really fucked things of late has been Dems pandering to factions that don't actually support them (huge Dem support for AIPAC when Israel special interests were leaning hard right, huge Dem support for the domestic tech sector when Bezos/Zuck/Elon were throwing their support behind Trump, Harris parading around with Liz Cheney to the cheers of basically nobody).
If you’re willing to gamble on a sure-to-lose scenario in an election as serious as the 2024 election, you’re an idiot.
Republicans and Democrats both love a big rug pull. The difference on Lemmy is that you'll see plenty of people recognize the scam that is $TRUMP coin the moment it is announced, but you'll still see them doggedly defend Biden for stiffing college debtors while throwing billions into an Infrastructure Investment Act for a Silicon Valley crowd that hate him.
Agree with most of what you're saying except
see them doggedly defend Biden for stiffing college debtors
Biden did more for college debtors than any president, ever. Did he entirely eliminate college debt? No. No one who was critically thinking actually thought that was going to happen, because what was probably going to happen was what ended up happening. A bunch of roadblocks got thrown in his way, including the Supreme Court. But he still eliminated many millions of dollars in college debt for a lot of people.
There's no doubt that the Democratic party is not particularly great at running campaigns. But that doesn't absolve the American populace from their duty to be reasonably informed. The Democratic party can run a dogshit campaign and people who are reasonably informed can still look at the hard data and see which party is a better bet for the economy and average Americans.
And to be clear, in a sane world, they did run a better campaign than the Republicans who ran on hate, fear, and absolute ridiculousness. IMMIGRANTS ARE EATING PEOPLE'S PETS IN SPRINGFIELD, OHIO.
That shit worked because Americans are pretty goddamn stupid. That's not the Democrat's fault, especially since they actually vote in favor of our educational system instead of trying to privatize it, like Republicans. The brunt of this shitshow we find ourselves in falls squarely on American voters and their lack of education/morals.
That's true! They're very stupid.
Since this has been proven twice, it is now a known fact, what should the democrats do next time to enrapture these very stupid people and ensure a decisive victory against the enemy?
I mean if we're taking 2024 as a lesson, I guess Democrats should run a campaign of non-stop fear and hatred based propaganda lies.
Apparently that's what gets votes in America.
And this is the.. only other option?
Biden did more for college debtors than any president, ever.
Screaming this over and over again, but college debtors still won't vote for me.
black women vote Republican in the 90-95% range
Surely you meant they vote Dem in this range.
Typo. Yes.
Someone can tell me why they voted for Trump and right away after that abuse of power became OK and rule of law in US significantly deteoriated? In democracy it would be possible to right away impeach Trump, or re-count the votes, or investigate it, or something like that...
Because it's "their team."
I truly wish there was more to it.
Not to say the 2024 pres. election wasn't important, but when was the last election where you would have said "sure, go vote for that 3rd party"?
Never.
Why?
Because no 3rd party has done the necessary work to become a nationally viable party. No 3rd party will be viable until they start investing in candidates in local/state elections.
There is no cheat code to make a 3rd party candidate president. 3rd parties have to start winning local/state offices, then get representatives in the House, then the Senate, before even having the possibility of running a candidate that can win a presidential election.
Anyone voting 3rd party for president is extraordinarily ignorant and assisting in the decline of this nation on the fastest timeline possible.
Oh look, it's Lemmy's resident "fuck third parties" guy posting again.
How about "anyone who votes for a politician committing genocide is fucking sick, and that applies to the vast majority of American voters."
Vote anyone else in an election like this one, you’re an idiot. The 3rd party candidate with the most votes only got half of a single percent of the total votes. In other words, no 3rd party candidate had even the whisper of a chance of winning.
We had this thread last week. I personally spent days laying out every single detail of American empire and oligarchy and how the two-party mechanic is used to mindfuck the public into compliance. Turned out people on your side were completely wrong. Can you just go back and read those threads instead of starting the same fucking argument all over again.
edit: Like me or my position or not, the point remains - why are we endlessly starting the same conversation over from scratch when we already had it?
Naaah… it didn’t turn out that the people on their side were wrong at all, just that you disagreed with them. And what really happened was- it turned out that you couldn’t have a conversation without insulting people and getting your shit removed for trolling.
I agree though. People absolutely should read those threads, however- it’ll be a little confusing unless they access the modlogs to get your… take- on a few of those discussions.
I am getting pretty sweary these days, getting really tired of pseudointellectual Americans whitewashing their genocidal government. On Lemmy no less, which is supposed to be a refuge from the state propaganda outlet Reddit turned into, but no, you all had to come here and ruin this too. And shout out to the mods who erase key messages from those discussions, because having an authentic, emotionally charged, organic discussion about America's responsibility for genocide is apparently too much for people to handle.
Educated people can make their own judgment without you coloring in their reality for them, thanks.
Educated people can make their own judgment without you coloring in their reality for them, thanks.
Right, however, you’d have to be able to appeal to educated people first. And I don’t think you’re capable of it to be honest. Don’t get me wrong, cosplaying the “ackshually” meme would have been a great idea if it weren’t for the fact that people generally don’t like that guy very much.
But you do you.
Oh, and a bit of advice- I’d be careful with hurling that… “pseudointellectual” accusation at other people- especially in a comment thread where your modlog was made easily accessible. Glass houses being what they are.
(Oh, and, it’s pseudo-intellectual by the way, so- mind your hyphens)
Anywho, I think I made my point. There’s no real need to continue this.
What point? A personal attack and a nitpick about hyphenation? Is that the substance of your argument in defense of people who voted for mass murderers?
This is exactly what we're talking about when we say Democrats are obsessed with "respectability politics" and don't give a fuck about morality. What the fuck is the point of your message? All you're doing is asserting superiority. You're not saying anything. Just don't even reply, be silent.
I’m going to need a napkin for all that irony you’re dripping.
Have a good evening for yourself.
I wish this site had a working block feature like reddit. Some of these people just need to be cut out of responding. "Hide their messages endlessly taunting you and dancing around the point even after you've left" is not the same.
Yeah. I get ya. Most people get around that by simply not talking down and respecting others. And right now, it looks like for the most part, you’re getting what you give- only unlike you, I’m not derogatorily admonishing you to feel superior. I’m doing it to hold up a mirror.
Again, your modlog is public.
So maybe you can stop with the arrogant life-lessons, opinions-stated-as-facts, and pseudo-intellectual lectures and learn to have a bit more respect for the people you speak directly to.
Be humbled. Then be better.
This is exactly why I don't respect you - you're talking about everything but the GENOCIDE.
Stop responding to me. You're not "humbling" me, I'm disgusted by you. Your complete moral failure here is enough before you start adding on the condescension, which you then go and accuse me of in return.
I rest my case.