Modern cars are surveillance devices on wheels with major privacy risks – new report
Modern cars are surveillance devices on wheels with major privacy risks – new report
If your car connects to the internet, what personal data could it be sharing – and even selling? A new report on Australia’s 15 most popular car brands reveals these privacy concerns.
New research reveals serious privacy flaws in the data practices of new internet connected cars in Australia. It’s yet another reason why we need urgent reform of privacy laws.
Modern cars are increasingly equipped with internet-enabled features. Your “connected car” might automatically detect an accident and call emergency services, or send a notification if a child is left in the back seat.
But connected cars are also sophisticated surveillance devices. The data they collect can create a highly revealing picture of each driver. If this data is misused, it can result in privacy and security threats.
A report published today analysed the privacy terms from 15 of the most popular new car brands that sell connected cars in Australia.
This analysis uncovered concerning practices. There are enormous obstacles for consumers who want to find and understand the privacy terms. Some brands also make inaccurate claims that certain information is not “personal information”, implying the Privacy Act doesn’t apply to that data.
Some companies are also repurposing personal information for “marketing” or “research”, and sharing data with third parties.
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My cars are not modern enough for that, but I always carry a surveillance device in my pocket to make up for it.
At least that one has an off button
Oh, does it?
Did you read the article? There were a couple cases were very early Android phones were modified to appear to be off but stayed on. This is fairly common knowledge, but it's not particularly hard to defeat.
Everything your phone does requires a deterministic amount of power. Spying on people in particular requires even more power than normal because you need to run the power hungry gps in addition to the modem and cpu.
If you turn off the device it should be significantly cooler to the touch, not a degree above ambient. If it's at 100% charge but a power bank with a read out is showing it still charging, that's a problem. Is the bootloader image different? You can verify that to some extent. When you turn it back on has it been drawing down the battery anyway? Does it require an unlock password instead of biometrics as it normally would (assuming a particularly sloppy setup)?
This isn't rocket surgery, in reality nobody is modding everyone's phone to stay on forever because unless you're an absolute troglodyte (aka the fucking old school mafia bosses they did this to) it's going to be painfully obvious your phone is acting weird.
Nowhere near an expert in this, but I know I've seen in the past that you could set your phone to turn on at a specific time (which means the RTC at a minimum is still running) - could a determined adversary not find a way to take advantage of that?
Depending on the chipset you can usually set rtc wakeup timers, though that typically implies sleep rather than power off so you'd still have some power draw when the device should be off. Similarly, if you're trying to log GPS you'll have to wake up for enough time to get a GPS lock so even at something like a 10 minute logging interval you'd get some noticable power consumption. Much much more if you're trying to log voice or video.
Eh, my phone is reasonably unlikely to spy on me. I use GrapheneOS with location off, no Google Play services most of the time (I have a separate profile for that BS), and the only app with location access is Organic Maps. My carrier could rat on me, but I don't think Google could.
But I have a smart watch (Pixel 2), but at least it's WiFi only so it can only rat on me when I get home. So I guess there's that.
Your carrier HAS ratted on you. Under the incoming US administration, I've little doubt they will again.
I wonder if this applies to MVNOs, or if their data is somehow aggregated. I haven't used a major carrier for over a decade.
That said, I can't really do anything about the carrier because I'd like to continue receiving calls and getting mobile data. So I'll cut down as much as I can, and to me that means cutting out Google.
I've considered switching to a VOIP service and running everything over a VPN (doesn't help with location, but cuts everything else out), but I haven't found one that's reliable. I need:
- SMS/MMS
- reliable wake when receiving calls/texts
- reasonable voice quality
Bonus points if I can receive calls on my computer (I'd also love to switch to a Linux phone). If I can find that, I'll switch.
If your phone is connected to the cell network, then you can be tracked.
Yup, but not by Google, at least not directly.
The problem is I want to be able to receive calls and texts while out and about. My next step is to try switching to a VOIP service and only get 2FA codes on my carrier number. That doesn't stop location tracking from cell towers, but it does reduce how much they know about me, and it makes it easier to switch later (i.e. if making and receiving calls on my computers are good enough).
Privacy is a process, and it's an unfortunately frustrating one as companies sell out their customers more and more.
sorry but that's no longer enough.
It's not, but it's a step in the right direction. Here are some additional steps I'm planning on:
- switch to VOIP - nice extra feature is being able to call and text from my PC
- VPN for all data - carrier can't see DNS anymore
- slowly move friends and family to alternatives to SMS and phone calls
It's a process and I'll probably never be finished, but each step is satisfying.
I was thinking about VOIP, VPN as well, and none of my friends or family would use Facebook or whatsapp
I don't use Facebook or WhatsApp, so that's not an issue, but we do use SMS quite a bit, so I need something that handles that. That's an easier problem to solve than Facebook/WhatsApp, so I'm pretty happy about that.
yeah everyone i know uses SMS and one person uses facebook messenger.
I'm guessing you could get that one person to stop using FB messenger w/ you, the question is, what do you try to get them to move to?
Anytime i bring up any chat application that is privacy friendly i get told i need to "stop watching conspiracy theories"
So, they're not even willing to give it a try? Why? Because it's associated w/ privacy? How is that in any way a bad thing?
I'd understand it if it was missing some features, and depending on what features they're missing, maybe you can find an app that provides those.