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The NATO intervention in Yugoslavia was hardly to prevent a genocide unless you believe the US suddenly started caring about Muslim life - and then went on to maraud across the middle east leaving a trail of bodies in its wake.

There's documented accounts of displaced Romani having to pretend to be Kosavar Albanians because there was zero humanitarian aid available for people not of the chosen ethnic group of the day.

One of the most interesting facets of the NATO air campaign is how they managed to demolish all the state owned factories and infrastructure, but leave the ones owned by westerners.

There's also another issue with what NATO did to Serbia - Kosovo voted to unilaterally secede. I can think of at least one other prominent example where another territory did just that and it is seen as totally illegitimate by basically everyone in the west. Which is it?

The Taliban harbored al-Qaeda which used Afghanistan as its base of operations when it coordinate the 9/11 and 7/7 terrorist attacks. So yes.

The US was their first backers, getting 9/11'd was just blowback for shitty decisions made decades ago, and murdering a bunch of Afghanis and Iraqis was hardly defensive. We totally had troops guarding poppy fields and oil derricks for like 2 decades after as a part of that "defensive" operation.

As robot pointed out, the killing never stopped- the US killed approximately a third of the population of North Korea, dropping more bombs on that part of the peninsula than on all of Europe in WW2.

Elected politicians are beholden to the people, so they can't go around killing all of their voters.

Conveniently, the millions of people killed and displaced by Americas warmongering don't get a fucking vote lol.

CW: Worst mistake?

Obama: Probably failing to plan for the day after, what I think was the right thing to do, in intervening in Libya.

From the article you just posted, I clicked the link to read what he actually said, and I read it as he expressed regret for not intervening more!

It's like criminals expressing regret for getting caught.

How exactly has the democracy prevented that? The American 'democracy' has overseen many genocides in its past, I don't see this as a deviation from form. I've pretty sure I'd be on the chopping block too, but the key distinction is I'm not putting my faith in voting as a preventative measure for that

I would make the case that the supreme court has never been anything other than a reactionary institution, and it sounds like you agree.

I would go on to point out that the rights 'won' by the supreme court are ephemeral and can be snatched away at any moment-

Take some of the examples of 'liberal' rulings- Roe vs wade came about the whole question of abortion from a liberal angle of privacy. Rather than simply providing a universal standard of prenatal healthcare to people, they opted for this sideshow. It's never been about life, maternal mortality is ridiculously high in the the US, it's about maintaining the profitable status quo.

The gay marriage ruling is another example of how worthless rights won by supreme court are- and how we should expect them to be retracted at any moment.

I legit don't care if we lose it at this point because it seems like it's been pretty worthless all along. At least as a democracy for anyone other than slave/property owners.

The observed baseline for libs on reddit is defending

Obama was president when NATO returned the slave trade to Libya- to quote his secretary of state Hillary Clinton: "we came, we saw, he died". I'm sure you have all sorts of state-approved positions on Americas state enemies, but that's the historical reality you're whitewashing.

Absolutely wild that things escalated from a "reset" of relations with russia to the maidan coup in like 4 years, I honestly wish I knew more of what was going on there.

The Democrats have been active participants in that though. They've been in power since 2020 and they fucked around making up excuses about imaginary roadblocks (like the parliamentarian) to doing shit people actually wanted. Their inaction and abject failure has hurt a lot of people who voted for Democrats in real ways and that's why people are losing faith in governance, among many, many other things.

The US is not without its flaws, but we are a democracy.

We literally had a bunch of unelected people in robes declare the president, just over 2 decades ago.

Our representatives in federal, state, and local governments are democratically elected and ideally should represent the majority of the population.

ideally should is doing a lot of lifting in that sentence- They don't. Local governments are often dominated by landlord interests, as well as homeowners- that's often accomplished by systematically disenfranchising renters.

Again, the unelected people in robes declared that money is speech, not only swaying elections but allowing influence to be bought directly. How is that a democracy?

You seem to be conflating the concept of 'democracy' with the freedom to spend money however it may hurt someone else structurally. That's pretty authoritarian if you're someone without money.

196 had extreme crossover with the vaush sub, I think mods too? Either way I got banned for shittalking NATO there over 3 years ago and haven't bothered to check in since.

The vaush meme subreddit creeped me out.

I personally don't have a problem with communists. But

Sounds like you have a problem with communists, or do you think that the country with the biggest army, police force, and imprisoned population (disproportionately of racial minorities) is somehow not authoritarian?

Hard to be inclusive when the response to almost anything and everything is to call someone a "shitlib" and dip, unless you mean inclusively exclusive by insulting everyone.

Gonna need to second the other posters pointing out that as a trans person this is by far the most queer inclusive space I've ever been on the internet. I've been around for 3 years because it's actually a breath of fresh air scrolling through interactions between people without having to tolerate the high baseline misogyny and hitler particles present in the rest of the internet.

Riding the lib brainworms,

And they've never done anything like the Great Firewall.

The great firewall is for your own protection, just look at how you guys react to a small group of users with different opinions!

I fucking wish Xi was paying me, marg bar amerika

Comical levels of projection from the person who is incapable of anything beyond regurgitating propaganda you'd find on CNN

Being conscripted, given third rate equipment or no equipment at all and being send to die is not generally an endearing act.

This is what Ukraine's coup government has been doing for over a year at this point.