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It's got nothing to do with the words you used. It's not how you said it, it's what you said.

Again, bullshit.

When I was dodging viruses downloading shit off limewire in the mid 00s, the vast majority of the time I searched for English names, people recommended things in English names, and the title card of the opening credits had a subtitle for the title of the show that everyone knew it by.

You're just being an insufferable "I was into it before it was mainstream" dork.

No, that's what you're saying now that you're backtracking.

You started by justifying what was in the tweet OP posted by saying you've got a "paradigm" because you were into it before it was cool or whatever.

Just own your weebness.

Again, bullshit.

Almost every fansub bootleg I got back in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s had an English name, even if it was just a direct translation.

This shit is a recent uberweeb phenomenon.

Exactly. If you want to be a goofy weeb and use the Japanese names for well known (by their English names) anime and sprinkle Japanese words into everyday conversations, go for it, whatever makes you happy.

But don't try to act like you're some og that got bootlegs from Japan before there were subs/dubs and did the translation by hand.

Bullshit. I've been watching anime since the 80's and in English speaking countries it was never Kyūketsuki Hantā Dī, it was Vampire Hunter D.

Into the locker you go dweeb.

But if we fixed it where would we get all our slaves undocumented workers?

It's just a generic outdoor chair as common as a red Solo cup. The kind of chair many people have found themselves sitting in late into the evening shooting the shit, drinking, etc.

I think the average bullet wound might result in slightly higher medical bills than the average car accident.

I was disappointed when this happened but now I'm glad I can't find it anymore. I had become lazy, just putting it on everything. Now I have a variety of sauces I choose based on what I'm putting it on. There are a lot of good sauces out there. With proper pairing you might not miss Sriracha at all.

I love these guys, and all the conspiracy or conspiracy adjacent people (as long as they're mostly harmless.)

I'm jealous of all of them. The world they live in is so much more interesting than mine.

The thing I love about this, the thing I always find funny whenever this comes up, is that these midwits are just too dumb to make the obvious argument. The argument that is "in their face" and "being shoved down their throats."

There is a rational, coherent argument to make their point. It's one I disagree with. It's one that, in my opinion, can only be made in bad faith with no purpose other than to be a concern troll, but it's there.

They always bring up Adira, Gray, Jett, Stamets, Culber, and anything else that's gone up their ass but never any of the actual social commentary because they're so thick it went over their heads and they didn't even notice it. You can see it in this thread. They mention the characters and people respond with "but they're just existing, how does that bother you?" They just bring up the characters again to a response of "yeah, we heard you the first time, what are they doing that bothers you other than existing?" And it just goes in a circle.

There was never an episode of ToS where Uhura talked about how hard it was to be a black woman as a bridge officer, because it wasn't. That's the whole point. In the future Star Trek wants us to imagine, a black female officer is completely unremarkable. Whenever they wanted to engage in social commentary about race relations in the 60s they had to invent an allegorical race, time travel, or use some other device to make their point.

The same thing is happening in the newer series. All those characters are just existing. Their sexuality and gender identity is completely unremarkable in the future Star Trek shows us. If those dipshits had two brain cells to rub together they would see the new series are full of allegories about not just tolerance, or even acceptance, but appreciation for beings with non-conforming expressions of self. If any of that did manage to trickle through their thick skulls they probably just twisted it into "yeah, people shouldn't make fun of me for having a relationship with a waifu pillow."

If they weren't so stupid they could easily give a half dozen examples and say "it's too much," "I got it the first time," "focus on something else for a change," or whatever other bullshit justification they came up with to oppose these themes. It would be a bad faith argument that I would disagree with but at least they could pretend they're not bigots, instead of their current position which seems to be "I've got no problem with these people, I just don't want to see them."

Saying something happened is not an example.

Which episode has "a 2020 style pronoun talk?"

Which episode has a plot involving Stamets and Culber that wouldn't be essentially unchanged if it was a heterosexual relationship?

I will go rewatch them now and come back and apologize if these things actually exist.

No one is asking you for an apology, just an example.

Surely you can do that, right? This thing that's so pervasive it's ruined entire seasons for you, you must be able to remember one scene from one episode where it actually happens.

No, you made a claim. A claim that, so far, is unsupported.

I'm simply asking for one scene, outside of your own mind, where these things actually happened.

I only watched it once. I could be wrong. Please refresh my memory.

You seemed concerned when you tried to tell me what to do.

Concerned enough to claim a black gay friend to excuse yourself.

No, I'm asking for an example. Just one.

I'm not asking for any more arguments. I understand your position completely.

Respectfully, no, I'm not going to "try to be less judgemental."

I see a show that continues it's long tradition of inclusiveness and respect for all people by including characters that are sexual and gender minorities. I then see people who claim to be fans, not just of the show, but also of what it has always been trying to do, complaining about it doing what it's always done.

I'm going to judge. I have judged, and I've found you wanting.

Maybe you could refresh my memory with an episode or some more details because I don't remember it that way. I remember Adira stating their pronouns, everyone accepting that and using those pronouns and never mentioning it again. I'm pretty damn sure there wasn't some Jordan Peterson type that refused to get with the program.

I'm also pretty sure there wasn't any focus on Stamets' and Culber's "gay" relationship. Their relationship was part of several story elements but the gay aspect was not. Please remind me of any plots involving their relationship that would have to be changed if one of them was a woman.

You are the one making a big deal about these characters because you can't get over their simple existence.

That's what they did. Stamets and Culber were just there. Grey and Adira were just there. They used elements of the symbiote story as an allagory but their NB status just was. It seems like you're making it bigger in your mind.