I'm still not convinced Luigi is the guy but if he is..
I'm still not convinced Luigi is the guy but if he is..
The sooner we realize the "left vs right" battle is a facade put up to distract and divide us, the sooner we realize what terrifies the upper class: we're much stronger together.
Unless you're a Nazi, then you can get fucked.
Bernie said it in 2000. The right uses single issue tactics to divide us. The real war is against the rich and poor.
https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775 (Pelosi defends lawmaker stock trades, citing ‘free market’)
Our political "left," ladies and germs.
But how will red Fascists justify their governments if they can't claim the people wanting freedom are evil?
What of course doesn't disagree any bit to what you said. But expect some coordinated and well founded opposition every time you try to claim "left" and "right" are bullshit.
That's true, but the opposition has shown their strategy already: to redirect public unrest towards marginalized groups and social policies, and away from the bourgeoisie. The result is right-leaning people getting captured in a funnel that starts with "society is too woke" and ends in full blown fascism.
So how do we counter it? By maintaining a grassroots effort to bring people out of that funnel by showing worker solidarity and uniting against the ruling class.
If you push someone away because they voted for the wrong candidate or don't agree with you on some social cause, some fascist talking head on YouTube will be right there to swoop them up.
Any proof that he is right winger, that's not made by some fundamentalist?
Because last bullshit I read is that he was right wing because he liked technology...
Because last bullshit I read is that he was right wing because he liked technology…
Man, I miss technology being left-wing.
Left Vs. Right is old and busted
Poor Vs. Rich is new hotness
Seriously. There have been profiles of his online interests. He clearly was not a political partisan. What he was more than anything was anti-establishment. He was a big fan of both AOC and Joe Rogan. However, the corporate media is doing what it always does - try to divide us along artificial partisan lines.
An MIB reference?
I salute you friend.
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Indeed it was
Class solidarity is exactly what we need, and if billionaires and multimillionaires break rank to join us, we most certainly can welcome them, with caution of course.
A liberal who realized something was wrong is something a lot of leftists once were. Accepting him should come from a place of empathy.
Absolutely. I feel empathy for the United CEOs family, while also recognizing they are going to be financially fine. They also have a chance to reflect on any grief and how affected families may not be sympathetic for valid reasons. Whether they do or not depends on whether they value healing, or greed/retribution.
He nixed a deep right oligarch because they were killing people.
I don't know what label you really want to assign to that, But it current it doesn't seem very Right Wing thing to do
In American politics left and right have no meaning anyway
See the problem for them is, this isn't a political issue, this wasn't about some political rhetoric attacking some mysterious foe, this was a human struggling to relieve their pain because of a corrupt system designed to squeeze every last penny from its victims.
You can't pit us against each other over this, you can't create boogeymen over this, because you are the boogeyman this time, but we're not afraid of you anymore, we know how to scare the boogeyman now.
Luigi was loaded, he probably could have easily paid off all his own medical bills without insurance. Luigi's dad is the current head of Mangione Family Enterprises.
I think he did it because he thought he could get away with it, and maybe he will.
I think that the left/ right spectrum is outdated, or at least the definitions we give to each.
I mean, originally the left/ right divide was about whether to keep King Louis XVI around or to have him beheaded.
The spectrum we know as a communism vs capitalism scale really was useful in the cold war when those were the two sides of a bipolar world. When we still use this as the measuring stick, things become super confusing in the 21st century. Our world is no longer a communist vs capitalist struggle. Russia and China aren't communist like the Soviet Union. The United States isn't the same democratic state that it was in 1960.
I don't know what our new spectrum is, that's going to be the research of the next great political scientist, but I do think the old tools we've used are no longer helpful. Some are saying "woke vs unwoke", some are saying "populism vs. globalism", and some are saying simply "chaos vs order". Perhaps it's a little bit of all, or perhaps we should throw spectrums out altogether. Either way, if we use old tools for modern problems, we will end up confused. It's like how jazz is seen as a super complex genre- it may simply be because we still use the music theory of 18th century European composers to try and understand Miles Davis. Of course it's going to be a wild ride.
Luigi Mangione is the median American voter
They’re confused because they still believe the dominant divide in US politics is liberalism v conservatism. It’s not, and it hasn’t been for some time. Increasingly, even if they lack the exact language to explain it, voters do not identify foremost as Democrats or Republicans, progressives or traditionalists, or even left or right. They identify as pro-system or anti-system.
I feel like there are very few people who are truly "pro-system" (mostly just the super rich)... Even in the pro system category I'd say the majority aren't pro system so much as they believe the system is broken, they just also believe the system can be fixed while playing within the rules of the system itself.
Personally, idgaf what his alignment was, I know his action’s alignment was chaotic good.
He rolled 20 on ambush
I couldn't give less of a fuck what his political ideologies are.
It never even crossed my mind he was on the right nor that he would be on the left.
I will say, doing something for the greater good is a very leftist ideology, however doing something out of anger and vengeance would be more universal. Regardless of motivation, the thing he accomplished will (hopefully) be something that inspires change, specifically in regards to healthcare in the USA.
I'm not an American, and your healthcare, or lack thereof, isn't really my problem. That being said, I'm more left leaning, and I believe in social programs (like healthcare for all). I have government healthcare where I am and as someone on the lower end of the "economic ladder" let me tell you, it's pretty great. Sure, I might have to wait longer for some procedures, but if I'm upset about that, I can go to my GP and have my feelings checked.... for free.
CEOs and healthcare officials will tighten security for a few months, judges will be hard on anyone who gives off even a whiff of copycat, and then some other outrage will come along and people will forget and nothing will change. Insurance practices will stay the same. At most, people will make this a second amendment issue, the government will pass some legislation about 3D printed guns, and our lives will all continue to get progressively worse.
Serious question... If you believe in social programs then, wherever you are, what makes you "right leaning"?
cultural perspectives. anti-LGBTQ stuff.
Actually, that's a typo. I intended to put left leaning, I thought I put left leaning, and reading it back a moment before seeing your comment, I noticed the error.
Whoops. My bad.
The only thought I had seeing that was "he was in the right".
Like many, he was a right-winger until he became the victim of the right wing. Suddenly he became the most extreme example of the "woke" activists he used to attack.
Your commitment to long-term civilizational success, Elon, is not universally shared
It's not even the majority position
What you call the "woke mind virus" cares about one thing only: equality
The levelers want to destroy everything because in the rubble we will all be equal
- Tweet reposted by Luigi, worshipping a capitalist 10x worse than the one he shot
My enemies wear suits. Not silly hats.
I got more in common with the most batshit crazy redhat than I do with any fucking ceo or billionaire.
This is not about class solidarity. If he's right (as in correct) he's right. To deny that because we don't agree on eventing is stupid
Especially given that he wasn't poor
Facts his actions speak louder than his words
actions speak louder than retract, it's not like big companies actually care about doing good stuff they just want to look good to get a little extra cash
It's not about fucking left and right -- It's a class war. Did you ever hear about the French, or maybe even American, Revolution? Dethrone the King, aka the ruling class.
Apparently, the left is only willing to set fire to themselves for "protest," while it's the right-wingers that are actually willing to off capitalist parasites.
The old anarchists must be turning in their graves.
Ofc capitalist media gonna smear this guy and libs gonna pile on with memes like this.
we're all communists after all.
Right winger means "person who shoots CEOs"? Well tattoo a swastika on my forehead and call me traditional because I love right wing ideology now.
Haven't heard that he's a right-winger, but he is a prep school valedictorian, Ivy League graduate, grandson of a wealthy real estate developer, who did his tech job remotely from Waikiki. Solid working-class stock.
I'm not necessarily convinced either, it does seem really convenient how they found him.
No ear but class war.
In my heart He is a winner winner chicken dinner